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[Rufio]

Originally Posted by Severn

Baroni got his sentenced reduced to and he pleaded innocent and everything. Honestly with all of these CSAC rulings and the circumstances around the samples and the sloppy unprepared case at the hearings, I'm starting to have my doubts about how foolproof these CSAC drug tests are.

Maybe I'm giving Dana too much credit but I don't think he would give Sherk a title match if he had enough proof backing Sherk's claim.

Nandrolone tests in general are highly unreliable. There are so many factors that can cause a positive test without actual use. Unfortunately, no matter how many times this is reiterated on this board, the majority of posters let it go in one ear and out the other.

[dbader08]

There is no way of telling whether he's telling the truth or not...

But he tested positive so he should have to pay the consequences reguardless of what Dana thinks....

Maybee he shouldnt take 500 different suppliments and just inject random shit into his body.

[Jellypig]

Originally Posted by Rufio

Nandrolone tests in general are highly unreliable. There are so many factors that can cause a positive test without actual use. Unfortunately, no matter how many times this is reiterated on this board, the majority of posters let it go in one ear and out the other.

Don't worry you got one poster who has been paying attention to what you've been saying about the nandrolone. No one knows for sure that sherk really did it but they are so quick to call him a roider and him being commonly accepted as a boring fighter seems it makes it easier for people to pass this judgment.

I lost some respect for sherk for what he said about BJ but him roiding to be an absolute is complete bullshit considering how sloppy the testing results are and the CSAC as a whole. For those that wanna go on about sherks physique for being a sure sign of a roider, some people are blessed with good genetics to have a great looking body and Sherk might possibly be one of those guys. Not only that but he trains harder than any fighter in the UFC currently.

[Clint]

Originally Posted by Crùsh

Don't worry you got one poster who has been paying attention to what you've been saying about the nandrolone. No one knows for sure that sherk really did it but they are so quick to call him a roider and him being commonly accepted as a boring fighter seems it makes it easier for people to pass this judgment.

I lost some respect for sherk for what he said about BJ but him roiding to be an absolute is complete bullshit considering how sloppy the testing results are and the CSAC as a whole. For those that wanna go on about sherks physique for being a sure sign of a roider, some people are blessed with good genetics to have a great looking body and Sherk might possibly be one of those guys. Not only that but he trains harder than any fighter in the UFC currently.

How are the testing results sloppy. It was done at a licensed facility that does thousands of tests and he tested at double the limit, which is 3 times the Olympic limit (which is 20 times the levels found naturally in male athletes.

Sherks lawyers big arguement was microbial degradation could cause the level but WADA caps the limit at 10 in cases where microbial degeneration is potentially present.

I agree with you that the CSAC's processes and procedures blow, but Sherk's lawyer came up with nothing to prove his innocence.

Given the polygraph test and such, I beleive that Sherk did not intentionally take the steroids but fighters are responsible for that they take, and if you are taking 50 some supps a day you are bound to get a bad one or a contaminated one.

[twankydawg]

Originally Posted by Clint

How are the testing results sloppy. It was done at a licensed facility that does thousands of tests and he tested at double the limit, which is 3 times the Olympic limit (which is 20 times the levels found naturally in male athletes.

Sherks lawyers big arguement was microbial degradation could cause the level but WADA caps the limit at 10 in cases where microbial degeneration is potentially present.

I agree with you that the CSAC's processes and procedures blow, but Sherk's lawyer came up with nothing to prove his innocence.

Given the polygraph test and such, I beleive that Sherk did not intentionally take the steroids but fighters are responsible for that they take, and if you are taking 50 some supps a day you are bound to get a bad one or a contaminated one.

If the test results were mishandled, Sherk should file civil proceedings because the company tarnished his image with this. They have admitted to mishandling the samples. I think Sherk didn't know what he was putting in his body but that's no excuse, the fighters are liable for what goes in, and this should open up their eyes to what can happen with some of these supplements.

The CSAC should be reformed though because they are a fucking circus and shouldn't be playing with fighters careers like that.

[Jellypig]

Originally Posted by Clint

the CSAC's processes and procedures blow

That's really what I meant by sloppy but it came out wrong in text.

[Clint]

Originally Posted by twankydawg

If the test results were mishandled, Sherk should file civil proceedings because the company tarnished his image with this. They have admitted to mishandling the samples. I think Sherk didn't know what he was putting in his body but that's no excuse, the fighters are liable for what goes in, and this should open up their eyes to what can happen with some of these supplements.

The CSAC should be reformed though because they are a fucking circus and shouldn't be playing with fighters careers like that.

Yeah if he find a supplement that he can link to the positive test or finds a mishandling in the testing center he needs to sue. It will net him some serious money and help clear his name.

Originally Posted by Crùsh

That's really what I meant by sloppy but it came out wrong in text.

Yeah what they need are set guidelines for how these hearing are to be handled. Right now it's a damn free for all. I think since they are a fairly new commission (in terms of handling MMA) they were prepared for this shit.

[Rufio]

Originally Posted by Clint

How are the testing results sloppy. It was done at a licensed facility that does thousands of tests and he tested at double the limit, which is 3 times the Olympic limit (which is 20 times the levels found naturally in male athletes.

Sherks lawyers big arguement was microbial degradation could cause the level but WADA caps the limit at 10 in cases where microbial degeneration is potentially present.

I agree with you that the CSAC's processes and procedures blow, but Sherk's lawyer came up with nothing to prove his innocence.

Given the polygraph test and such, I beleive that Sherk did not intentionally take the steroids but fighters are responsible for that they take, and if you are taking 50 some supps a day you are bound to get a bad one or a contaminated one.

Clint, we went over this before. You are mistaken about how much has been shown to naturally occur in males before. I believe Sherk's test was like 12 nan/di, while the highest a human has ever tested is close to 30. In addition, 40 ATP players tested positive for Nandrolone after taking an "electrolyte" drink.


Sherk tested for a fraction of what has been SHOWN in humans who did not inject Nandrolone before. Nandrolone levels have been shown to triple during exercise or from various supplements which covert to 19-Norendosterone (which is what they test for in Nandrolone tests) without actually ever turning to Nandrolone itself.


I can dig up the links again if you would like, but Sherk did not test positive for more than a fraction of what has already been shown to occur naturally before, and experts are almost unanimous in their agreement that the levels of Nandrolone humans can produce is unknown, especially factoring in the elevated levels post-excercise. Further, it's unknown how much higher someone could test for factoring in "electrolyte drinks" such as Gatorade and other legal supplements that harmlessly convert to 19-Norendosterone.


Testing positive for Nandrolone doesn't even = having elevated levels of Nandrolone in your system. It means that you have elevated levels of 19-Norendosterone in your system, which may or may not be a result of Nandrolone.