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[LA Suxs]

yes i know wat you're saying, but well you're trying to use it in a way were basically you ended up saying nothing since its a already known MMA is a mix of the sport. but here is my point, GSP is being given the upper hand on the ground which i see as BS, and Hughes is being put as the wrestler who just transitioned to MMA. Hughes has the takedown and groundwork to beat GSP. GSP best chance is on the feet, on the ground he should be looked as the one wit the disadvantage

Now this Vera legend thing is news to me. Against Eilers they were just talking bout he has been working on his stand-up more. Against Assuerio i thought Assuerio was getting the better of the stand-up. i know a lil off-topic but i'd recheck on Vera's muay thai background. i've heard of an up and comer, not quite sure of a lengedary status in the manner of him being a very established muay thai fighter.

[jimmyterrell]

Better yet, I'll just call it a day before you can respond. You are right LA Suxs. Until the day a fighter comes along (At 170) that has finished higher in an ADCC, Hughes has absolutely no worries about losing his strap. Afterall, the better grappler will always win, right?

Wow, I can't believe I just typed that out... The point is so ridiculous that even being sarcastic about it makes me want to vomit.

[jimmyterrell]

The theory on him being so legendary comes from nothing I have read. It came from someone who recently came from Thailand, who was also training in Muay Thai. I have no choice but to take his word for it, I don't make it out to Thailand as much as I would like to.

[LA Suxs]

well when GSP is a pruple belt, and his striking is TKD yea. he has strong strikes but when it comes down to it, he has made getting the grounded his bread and butter. and well Hallman did beat Hughes, so wat a coincidence. its all bout the match ups, and yeah GSP as much as people dont wanna admit is not as great a match up for GSP most think

[Afro]

Man the way I see it is Matt Hughes struggled to keep GSP down.. GSP grabbed his shoulded and threw him like a bull on one takedown, the other he used the fence to prop up, it wasnt until the last takedown that Hughes got the submission and finished the fight.. to what expense? a bleeding face. GSP wins the rematch if you ask me because hes gotten better, and Hughes has stayed in cruise control.. you gotta get better in any sport if you want to remain on top.. I dont see Hughes improving, I do see GSP improving the fact that GSP could of won the last fight and is now a better fighter makes me go with him.

[Matt Boone]

"ok Boone you're emabarrasing yourself again. you're supposed to be a journalist and be up-to date and all the good stuff right? you are aware Tokoro vs Royce was an MMA fight in K1's new year's show. I mean dont throw away a lot of your cred over trying to reply back too fast"

Wtf are you talking about? The argument was about their NON-MMA grappling. You used an example of an MMA match to talk about Royce's NON-MMA grappling. I said in the post before it that Gracie really dominated Hughes on the ground as an example of great grapplers being dominated by lesser grapplers in MMA. You came back and said Royce isn't that talented in non-MMA grappling. I came back and said are you ****ing kidding me, and said it's not just his last name or legacy either, I know the dude is an awesome non-MMA grappler. You came back and used an example of someone out-grappling him in MMA to prove that he isn't that good a STRAIGHT grappler as people think.

And I'm the stupid one because....?

[LA Suxs]

cuz i told you the only example i know of or heard of Royce was when he was choked out by Wallid. other than that you'll struggle to find him in an actual competition, byt that i mean competing not just as a celebrity guest

[Matt Boone]

I don't know a lot about individual martial arts but he's a 34th degree (whatever number) black belt under some wizard or something probably from his family who's proven. Unless you're calling him a fraud as a highly advanced black belt, he's got very good non-MMA grappling skills.

I've heard the Wallid stories too.

[LA Suxs]

BTW Royce is a 5th degree

well ok i'll explain this which i think many people get confused wit at times. the belts can often mean bullshit, many reasons behind this;

after purple belt you have basically the same knowledge as brown+\
many instructors have different criteria for giving belts
after a while athleticism and strength do mean something
without gi its a whole different game

now i have proofs Popovitch has defeated plenty of black belts, some even by submission, including Renzo a 5th degree black belt.

Arona is just a regular black belt, yet nobody seems to be able to stop him in submission wrestling

Diaz as a purple belt submitted Macaco a black belt

guy like Kerr and Monson wit a few years of BJJ dominated ADCCs, beating black belts as well

wit gi it might be a big difference though. Monson is a purple belt in BJJ, he went into a superfight tournament black belt division wit gi, he got killed by Rolles Jr.(Gracie). later that week in no gi, he just owned Rolles Jr

oh and Wallid he's sick my coach's instructor was there when he first went to Carlson's class, really cool story actually

[jimmyterrell]

I'm surprised anyone knows that much about fighters individual criteria. Brovo.