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[SimpleJack]

I would agree if it happened in Vegas or somewhere reputable, but Cali has some serious issues in their commission. Then, they delay the hearing etc. and it just puts a strange shade over the whole ordeal.

[Supe]

Everyone keeps sayin they want to see Sherk get his shot so Penn can beat his ass....i think peopel are looking past the fact that BJ needs to get by Joe in order to have that chance. Not sayin that BJ isnt favored in the fight but Stevenson is no pushover. Hes strong as hell and is a great wrestler/BJJ with great composure in his stand up. I think all 3 (stevenson, BJ and Sherk) are pretty close and would make great fights. Im pullin for Joe daddy to win over BJ and successfully defend against sherk. Might not happen but im hopin.

[SimpleJack]

I think Penn and Sherk are quite a ways ahead of Joe Daddy.

[eazye76]

Originally Posted by Dr. MMA

Sherk's suspension is done on January 7th, so he can fight after that but nonetheless my point is if sylvia got a shot, then so should Sherk when he comes back.

It's hard to argue with that, Sherk deserves due process I guess. That being said, Sylvia shoudn't have got an immediate shot either. The UFC is coming off as being very soft on steroids. Hell, according to UFC.com Sherk is still the Champ, whether Dana believes him or not the fact remains he IS a convicted steroid user. This is an issue the UFC needs to take very seriously because there is a lot more attention on the UFC than there was when Sylvia got caught. I doubt Dana wants to get in front of congress and talk about this, w/ John Mcain or somebody like him.

Whether Sherk is guilty or innocent this gives outsiders the impression that the UFC condones steroid use.

[da@LARGE]

Originally Posted by eazye76

Whether Sherk is guilty or innocent this gives outsiders the impression that the UFC condones steroid use.

I agree 100%. This year Stephan Bonnar gets busted, as soon as he's cleared they continue giving him fights to build of his TUF popularity. Melvin Guillard gets busted for cocaine, and his first fight back they put him on the main card in a grudge match he's been asking for - neither guy being near contender status.

The UFC not only refuses to acknowledge such infractions, but continues to reward fighters regardless. If fighters continue failing drug tests then the attention is gonna start to settle on Dana White. This is one instant in which he has yet to copy the WWE, failing to realize that his employees impact his company's public image.

[Supe]

Originally Posted by da@LARGE

I agree 100%. This year Stephan Bonnar gets busted, as soon as he's cleared they continue giving him fights to build of his TUF popularity. Melvin Guillard gets busted for cocaine, and his first fight back they put him on the main card in a grudge match he's been asking for - neither guy being near contender status.

The UFC not only refuses to acknowledge such infractions, but continues to reward fighters regardless. If fighters continue failing drug tests then the attention is gonna start to settle on Dana White. This is one instant in which he has yet to copy the WWE, failing to realize that his employees impact his company's public image.

What should happen to people caught using? They are reprimanded by the SACs and title holders have been stripped. Does using warrant being expelled from the UFC? Should these atheletes be held to a higher standard than those participating in other sports? If they got caught using and serve their suspension time, why is it bad they are thrown back in the mix and given fights?

[ninjastix]

Originally Posted by eazye76

Whether Sherk is guilty or innocent this gives outsiders the impression that the UFC condones steroid use.

You can't please everyone and like it or not it's a human aspect to side with someone because you "feel" its the right thing to do which I believe is the reason Dana wants to stick by Sherk...

Now... I won't get into whether I believe Sherk is telling the truth or not... I tend to not like him for really no good reason other than he looks like a penis with teeth...

But the fact of the matter is that Sherk... actually beat someone who was in fact, on steroids, at the time they fought... Technically... it was a fair fight if indeed he did take steroids.

I can understand the frustration with being accused of something you didn't do (most of us have one or two personal experiences with something along these lines) so my unwarranted dislike for Sherk aside... I think he should fight and appeal and struggle against a commission that's basically saying: "We are the final unchallenged say in the matter"...

But does he deserve an immediate title shot with so many fresh, hungry, and exciting contenders in the division?

well... yeah... he was never beaten as champion and hasn't lost in the division yet so... what's the point of denying him a shot? He's just going to get it sooner or later...

[eazye76]

Originally Posted by Supe

What should happen to people caught using? They are reprimanded by the SACs and title holders have been stripped. Does using warrant being expelled from the UFC? Should these atheletes be held to a higher standard than those participating in other sports? If they got caught using and serve their suspension time, why is it bad they are thrown back in the mix and given fights?

I think if the fighter is under contract to a specific orginization, not to mention a champion, their should be a small penalty. I'm not trying to blacklist anybody, they should be thrown back in the mix, but I would make them fight once before the title shot. Guys who get beat usually have to fight once, and they deserve the fight more than someone who was stripped b/c of steroids, IMO.

I don't want this to ruin Sherk's career, by any means, but for right now, knock him down a notch or two, and let him fight once before his shot.
Sherk could fight in Feb/Mar, and fight the winner of Penn/Joe, around around July. I think that would be fair, and it looks a lot better from a PR standpoint.

[jrube]

Originally Posted by leedogg900

no point in making him work back up to get a title shot. he dominated both his title defenses against 2 of the top guys at lw, and imo he didnt knowingly take steroids. so give the guy a break.

sherk vs penn is a super dream match too

I agree with you, but in case you didn't notice... this forum is ANTI Sherk and ANTI Hughes big time... worse than anywhere else I have seen.... So no one will ever give these two a break in here. There are also a lot of BJ nut huggers in here as well, who think he is unbeatable...

Personally i will take a Sig bet with ANYONE in here that Sherk beats Penn...

[markzabin]

From what I have seen of the Sherk steroid interviews, he appeared to be honest, either that or a reaaaaaaaallly good lier. That being said, I hope he fights BJ whether the title is there or not, cause that is the only fight that would really test him right now, and the fans want it for sure.