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Originally Posted by Dork8503

How are they excuses, It was said before the Joe and Manny fight that Joe was injured. Joe took the fight anyway.

So you are not saying Joe would have won if it wasn't for the injuries? If you are then it is an excuse. Because a healthy Joe may have done better but doesn't mean he would have won.

Originally Posted by Dork8503

Thats like saying Penn's injury in the Hughes fight had no outcome on the end of the fight.

Who knows how it affected the outcome of the fight. Sure Penn was whooping up on Hughes in the first two rounds, but that doesn't mean he would have won a five round title fight if he didn't get injured. When I bring up this fight to defend Penn's record I do so because it isn't just a black and white loss, but Hughes won a he deserved all that went with winning that fight, just as Manny should.

Originally Posted by Dork8503

Um I don't predict Kenny will lose every fight he is in. I picked Din to beat him. Before that pretty sure i said he would beat Alvin.

Oh you mean because i think Tyson and Huerta can beat him. Well imo they are both better fighters then Kenny.

I just thought it was funny how you say Joe gets no respect when you always give Kenny no credit.

Originally Posted by Dork8503

I think Nate has good bjj but its not great. You are just making it sound like no one can sweep Manny or reverse him.

I'm sure someone can, but I can't see a health Joe or Florian sweep or reverse him. I can see Kenny getting an escape.

Originally Posted by Dork8503

Manny vs Joe, like i said Joe had bad Knee and Elbow injuries that required surgery after, pretty sure those type of injuries effect bjj.

Just as a sperated shoulder would effect your game, but I'm not about to say Manny is more deserving of Nate because he was injured in their fight.

When you lose you lose. It doesn't matter why unless there was bad decision or a bad stoppage.

[AJL416AZ]

Joe is a better wrestler, better at offensive takedowns and pretty good at top control and really unleashing GnP
his BJJ has to be on another level after a few months training with BJ every day, along with his overall MMA game, although Kenny has a little more experience and is probably better on the ground technique-wise.
and i would still bet he's bigger and stronger then Kenny.

sounds like a real good, even fight. if Joe can take Kenny down and control and lay down GnP, he could win this fight. i dont think Kenny is at title-contention level yet, i think he's about Joe's level and Joe can make the step up and win.

[RKO7645]

I think this is a great fight and cant wait to see it. I know Joe has been training with BJ but i dont think he is ready for Kenny. I think Kenny would have won against Din. But i see the fight with Joe losing a definitive decision. I do say that had this fight been made later this year Joe would prob have won. But all that aside i hope to see an exciting fight.