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[Palma]

Originally Posted by singinkangaroooo

i truely think that Tito cant really do anything in this sport.. well if he fights like he did agaisnt Rashad... neither figher was going for the win they were just trying to go to the cards and hope they did enough...

That's funny, that's exactly like GSP's last win over Koscheck and his win over Penn. He knew he couldn't finish either fighter so he lnp'd his way to a decision. But it's funny because no one bitches about GSP doing it.

[jlruthven84]

Originally Posted by Palma

That's funny, that's exactly like GSP's last win over Koscheck and his win over Penn. He knew he couldn't finish either fighter so he lnp'd his way to a decision. But it's funny because no one bitches about GSP doing it.

I'll have to re-watch the Penn fight, but GSP was constantly aggressive, shooting on Kos, going for kimuras and landing shots on him from the top.

[singinkangaroooo]

Originally Posted by Palma

That's funny, that's exactly like GSP's last win over Koscheck and his win over Penn. He knew he couldn't finish either fighter so he lnp'd his way to a decision. But it's funny because no one bitches about GSP doing it.

GSP did not do it in as flagrant a way... Tito was basically running from Rashad at the end Tito held on to the cage numerous times to avoid take downs.. i didnt see GSP doing any of that in the fight with BJ but i guess if u do feel that way than that is fine..

we can agree to disagree but i really really want to see GSP fight BJ again for 5 rounds so all of this can be laid to rest... excuses are made for both sids and it really is bs.. so if i could wish for one thing in life it would be to see these two fight and put this to rest because i TRULY feel GSP won that fight and that is how 2 of the judges saw it.. i know you feel differently palma and i respect that but this issue has been beaten to death and until that fight happens i really cant say anymore about it.. just wait and see how the future unfolds for both fighters

**edit** i did rewatch the Kos-GSP fight this morning and there is now way GSP layed on Kos and did nothing.. in the first round he couldnt get a handle on him on the ground and Kos reversed him... the second round GSP was constantly working and trying at that Kimura but kept getting stuck in Kos' half gaurd and was unable to get free until under a minute left and just didnt sink in that Kimura.. and in the 3rd round GSP put on a clinic on the feet... he was constantly throwing combos and kicks and got that defensive takedown.. and once on the ground he landed a few nice shots and went for a leg lock as time expired.. no time was GSP laying there in the Kos fight... didnt see you put kos in the post the first time so that is y i added this

[Palma]

Originally Posted by jlruthven84

I'll have to re-watch the Penn fight, but GSP was constantly aggressive, shooting on Kos, going for kimuras and landing shots on him from the top.

He tried one Kimura and sure he stayed active enough to keep the fight from being stood up, but he clearly was going for the decision and not to finish the fight.

Originally Posted by singinkangaroooo

GSP did not do it in as flagrant a way... Tito was basically running from Rashad at the end Tito held on to the cage numerous times to avoid take downs.. i didnt see GSP doing any of that in the fight with BJ but i guess if u do feel that way than that is fine..

we can agree to disagree but i really really want to see GSP fight BJ again for 5 rounds so all of this can be laid to rest... excuses are made for both sids and it really is bs.. so if i could wish for one thing in life it would be to see these two fight and put this to rest because i TRULY feel GSP won that fight and that is how 2 of the judges saw it.. i know you feel differently palma and i respect that but this issue has been beaten to death and until that fight happens i really cant say anymore about it.. just wait and see how the future unfolds for both fighters

Tito held on to the fence one time. He pushed the pace and controlled the fight until the last 30 seconds when he did run to avoid the single takedown that tied up the fight.

GSP had top control on Penn and he couldn't do shit but hold him there. I'm not saying GSP didn't win... I'm saying he layed on top of Penn to get the decision. He truely won that fight by not trying to finish it just as you are putting down Tito for doing the same thing.

Originally Posted by singinkangaroooo

**edit** i did rewatch the Kos-GSP fight this morning and there is now way GSP layed on Kos and did nothing.. in the first round he couldnt get a handle on him on the ground and Kos reversed him... the second round GSP was constantly working and trying at that Kimura but kept getting stuck in Kos' half gaurd and was unable to get free until under a minute left and just didnt sink in that Kimura.. and in the 3rd round GSP put on a clinic on the feet... he was constantly throwing combos and kicks and got that defensive takedown.. and once on the ground he landed a few nice shots and went for a leg lock as time expired.. no time was GSP laying there in the Kos fight... didnt see you put kos in the post the first time so that is y i added this

He didn't try and finish the fight though (which is what we are actually talking about) besides that half ass attempt at a kimura, which is a subtle way to control your opponent without trying to finish the fight. He know couldn't pull off the Kimura, but he sat in S mount holding onto it killing time until the round was finished. Classic Lay and Pray.