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[Masscore]

Originally Posted by dagreat1

Overrated - Huerta and Bisping
Underrated - Akiyama, JZ and Machida

People saying Filho? You have to understand the matchup factor. Both of FIlho's fights have been against Wrestlers, the last of which was against an Olympic caliber wrestler (we all knew it was goignt o be a tough fight for FIlho, Mir knew it as well). Filho not posessing great striking also put him at a disadvantage in those fights, however he still came out ontop in both of them (and the early stoppage, pft, that armbar was sunk, the only thing giving would've been Sonnen's arm as it snapped into pieces).

2 difficult matches for Filho stylistically, he came out ontop in both of them. Now styles make fights, and Filho matches up incredibly well with Anderson Silva becaue Filho can end the fight on the ground. Filho does not match up well with Hendo. I would take Filho over Anderson and Hendo over Filho (and Anderson over Hendo becaue I don;t think Hendo will finish Anderson and Anderson will eventually catch Hendo and end the fight).

Right now, I would say that Filho has the best chance to beat Anderson Silva.

I also would never call Wanderlei Silva overrated unless I just hated PRIDE for no good reason. Have you seen WAnderlei's fight against Chuck? Obviously Wanderlei is incredibly focused and will be tearing through the LHW division in the near future. Watch the all access episode with Wanderlei Silva so you can see his training regimine, it's makes Rich Franklin's look like childsplay (he also kicked the living crap out of the 250lb Fujita in one of the most brutal beatings I have ever seen in MMA).

Dissapointing losses, sure, but overrated, no.

I have to say I disagree with you. Filho would not have a pray against Silva. In order to take Silva down you need to have clean takedowns, or else you are going to eat a couple knees. Filho has anything but clean takedowns and prefers to try and muscle his oppenant to the ground. This would not would on Silva since it requires a clinch usally and Silva is the last guy on earth you want to clinch. Silva also has a huge reach adv. and even greater striking adv. Both of which spell doom for Filho, who would have to eat lots of punches to take Silva down, punches that would probably drop him. Silva is also much, much faster then Filho. With all of these I would not see that fight lasting much longer then any of Silva's recent fights. Filho is great with BJJ, but thats about it. He needs to become more rounded before people crown him one of the best in the world.

Overrated - Fedor(So called best P4P fighter in the world is going to fight one fight in 2007... if you even want to call it that), Cro-Cop, Franca, Sherk, Penn (come on the guy beats Pulver and gets a title shot... Bull shit), Shogun.

Underrated - A. Silva (people still think he is a one trick pony), Machida, Huerta, Okami.

[FFFRpickup]

overrated-machida
underated-fitch, although he is getting noticed a little more mentioned now and might change soon.

[Kimuras"R"Us]

Originally Posted by FFFRpickup

overrated-machida
underated-fitch, although he is getting noticed a little more mentioned now and might change soon.

I'm not being a dick but how do you think machida is overrated?
- He hasn't been beaten yet.
- His last two fights have been against Top 15 LHWs.
- Has wins over Penn and Franklin.

[Ubermensch]

Under Rated: Jake Shields, John Fitch, Lyoto Machida, and Thiago Silva

Over Ratted: Forrest Griffin, Tyson Griffin, Bisping, Evens, Houston Alexander and Rampage Yup Rampage!

[jlruthven84]

Rashad is by far the most overrated high-profile fighter right now. He's had one impressive win since coming into the UFC (over Lambert), and really hasn't lived up to the marketing.

Underrated...this is a tough one. Forrest of course is still being doubted by many, but he's got a damn good shot at taking out Rampage. Others would be Machida, Fitch, and Condit.

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by juice da god

overrated: filho, shogun, cro cop, gabe gonzaga, t prangley

underated: machida, hordecki, jorge santiago, c sonnen, bo cantrell (jk about bo)

Horodecki? Seriously? I know the IFL doesn't get any props, but Bart Palaszewski handed him his ass the first time they fought, if it wasn't for Chris bailing through the ropes he would have been choked out. He's a protected goldenboy, and I'm glad he got his ass kicked.

Originally Posted by Ubermensch

Under Rated: Jake Shields, John Fitch, Lyoto Machida, and Thiago Silva

Over Ratted: Forrest Griffin, Tyson Griffin, Bisping, Evens, Houston Alexander and Rampage Yup Rampage!

Let the rh-hating begin, I must agree with Jackson being overrated. I haven't seen anything that qualitatively indicated the "new and improved" Jackson that everyone is crowing about. I thought Hendo fought him to a standstill for a no-tune-up cage fight while his wife was 9 months pregnant on another continent [lesser distractions have ruined other fighters...], and I still think Wandi would kick his ass again, and Hendo takes him in a rematch.

But that's just me...

rh

[mmacoyot]

Originally Posted by ArMnHC

now i just want to mention that when i do say these guys are overrated, it doesnt mean i dont like them...

overrated fighters of 2007 are Sean Sherk, Vera, Rashad, Bisping Tyson Griffin (im still a fan of his, but thought his last two fights were questionable, especially Guida), Fischer, Koscheck, Diego and Filho

underrated fighters of 2007 are Marcus Davis, Fitch, Jardine, Sonnen (after seeing him fight Filho im convinced), Kongo, Alvin Robinson, Forrest and i even feel Rampage is still underrated by many...

come on now, jardine is not underrated...

[ultimate_mayhem]

Fedor, fa sho, gets the most overrated fighter of '07 in my books, on a close tie with Kimbo Slice. . .
The most underrated fighter, to me, would have to be Marcus Davis or John Fitch

[neonatural45]

over-rated- Huerta, Tyson Griffen, Kid, Franklin, Tito, Glamrock, and the biggest BY FAR: Urijah Faber

Underrated- Lutter, Akiyama, Bustamante, Salaverry, Babalu, Jacare, and Thiago Alves


I used to be THE ONLY one to think that serra was a legit threat to the welterweight division (even before he fought Karo) but now I must say one win has gotten to peoples heads and he is edging close to becoming one of the most overrated.


Edit: Id add both diaz brothers to my list of overrated fighters, I can't beleive I forgot them. And for underrated Id add Din Thomas and Mach

[dagreat1]

Originally Posted by Masscore

I have to say I disagree with you. Filho would not have a pray against Silva. In order to take Silva down you need to have clean takedowns, or else you are going to eat a couple knees. Filho has anything but clean takedowns and prefers to try and muscle his oppenant to the ground. This would not would on Silva since it requires a clinch usally and Silva is the last guy on earth you want to clinch. Silva also has a huge reach adv. and even greater striking adv. Both of which spell doom for Filho, who would have to eat lots of punches to take Silva down, punches that would probably drop him. Silva is also much, much faster then Filho. With all of these I would not see that fight lasting much longer then any of Silva's recent fights. Filho is great with BJJ, but thats about it. He needs to become more rounded before people crown him one of the best in the world.

Overrated - Fedor(So called best P4P fighter in the world is going to fight one fight in 2007... if you even want to call it that), Cro-Cop, Franca, Sherk, Penn (come on the guy beats Pulver and gets a title shot... Bull shit), Shogun.

Underrated - A. Silva (people still think he is a one trick pony), Machida, Huerta, Okami.

Lutter's takedowns were anythign but clean, they were forced and muscled yet successful. I'm not saying Filho is the #1 MW right now (though he may very well be) but styles make fights and I think he would absolutely school Anderson on the ground and think he has the power to get it there.

He would probabaly have to eat some punches in order to get it to the ground, you are right about that, but he maybe fortunate and dodge a strike and end up in good position for a takedown.

Filho would be happy to clinch with Anderson because Anderson is not dangerous in a body lock (I assume that's what you were calling a clinch) and a body lock greatly favors Filho. If Anderson has a Thai clinch on Filho then Filho would be in real trouble but both fighters locked up in a body lock clinch, it will result in Filho getting the takedown 99 out of 100 times (Anderson does not posess world class takedown defense like Sonnen does).

Fedor doesn't control what he's offered to fight for, if Dana White and the Fertittas ponied up some money and offered the non exclussive, you would see Fedor fighting in the UFC as we speak. Also, Dana White chose to go after Cro Cop and not Fedor, he did not try and get Fedor until 4-6 months after Cro Cop was already signed.

Dana White weighed his options and thought, Cro Cop- Speaks English, Cro Cop devistating head kicks, most exciting striker int he game.

Fedor - the best in the world but fans like standup and would love to see Cro Cop head kicks.

It's Dana's fault, not Fedor's that the masterplan backfired.