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[ghosttown]

Forrest is not overrated, he took out the #1 LHW and now people make excuses for why Shogun lost. Over rated would have to go to Houston Alexander and Sokoudjou. While both got 2 quick highlight reel KO's over quality opponents, people judged too quickly without seeing their respective ground game's.

Underrated to Roger Huerta and Machida. Roger is an awesome fighter who tries to finish and has fought some good guys, it seems like people just want to hate the UFC ''posterboys''. Machida has many solid wins over the likes of Penn, Franklin, Bonnar, Nakamura and now Sokoudjou and now will hopefully get the credit he deserves.

[neonatural45]

Originally Posted by ghosttown

Forrest is not overrated, he took out the #1 LHW and now people make excuses for why Shogun lost. Over rated would have to go to Houston Alexander and Sokoudjou. While both got 2 quick highlight reel KO's over quality opponents, people judged too quickly without seeing their respective ground game's.

Underrated to Roger Huerta and Machida. Roger is an awesome fighter who tries to finish and has fought some good guys, it seems like people just want to hate the UFC ''posterboys''. Machida has many solid wins over the likes of Penn, Franklin, Bonnar, Nakamura and now Sokoudjou and now will hopefully get the credit he deserves.

well, Huerta has beaten one good guy and thats all Guida is. Guida is exciting but he is somewhat one dimensional, and besides that Huerta has fought cans, Guida will never be a top 10 lightweight and he didn't even have a winning record in the UFC. On the other hand you have guys like Frankie Edgar in that division who have fought 3 good fighters and looked dominant doing it. I gave him every round against Tyson Griffen (who I think is a tad overrated but still a good fighter, as close to Guida's level as it gets) so he is 3-0 in the UFC and has never lost a round, but becuase Huerta is Latin American and gets in slugfest with guys who are no where near as talented as him he gets to cut ahead of deserving contenders. THAT is why people dislike him, not becuase he was on sports illustrated but becuase he got a free road to the fight with Guida and then took it from there.


and if I had to state my opinion on Filho vs A. Silva I would agree with dagreat1. It is a completley different fight then Filho's fight with Sonnen becuase Filho would be able to control where the fight took place in this one, and seeing as he has an advantage on the ground it would be pretty stupid to count him out of that fight IMO

[DRExLOC]

off top........
Overated- Serra, Franklin, Shogun, Bisping
Underated- T. Silva, Machida, Sylvia (always underated for a top 5 HW)

[OrtizPuncher37]

Over rated- Matt Serra. He got lucky in a title fight that he had no business in.
Under rated- Jens Pulver.

[Masscore]

Originally Posted by dagreat1

Lutter's takedowns were anythign but clean, they were forced and muscled yet successful. I'm not saying Filho is the #1 MW right now (though he may very well be) but styles make fights and I think he would absolutely school Anderson on the ground and think he has the power to get it there.

He would probabaly have to eat some punches in order to get it to the ground, you are right about that, but he maybe fortunate and dodge a strike and end up in good position for a takedown.

Filho would be happy to clinch with Anderson because Anderson is not dangerous in a body lock (I assume that's what you were calling a clinch) and a body lock greatly favors Filho. If Anderson has a Thai clinch on Filho then Filho would be in real trouble but both fighters locked up in a body lock clinch, it will result in Filho getting the takedown 99 out of 100 times (Anderson does not posess world class takedown defense like Sonnen does).

Wow people still using the Lutter fight as an example of how to beat Anderson Silva. But you completely forget about the fight against Marquant??? Nate is better at all aspects of the game then Lutter. Better Takedowns, better BJJ, better striking, better cardio and way overall better fighter. Not only did he defend Marquant's takedowns the second it did hit the mat, he got right back up with ease, this is against a guy with some of the best BJJ in the MW divison. Did I mention he also swept Nate?? Then destoryed him with some of the most vicious GnP I have ever seen. Hell I think he almost broke the guy's eye socket. People keep on looking at Silva as a one trick pony because of how good his striking is, but everyone is also so qucik to forget that he is also a BJJ Black Belt, which he earned from Big Nog. Big Nog does not just give out Black Belts to anyone. Filho got outstruck by Sonnen who is no where near Silva's league, hell if Silva was MLB, Sonnen would be a high school team. I say Filho would have about a minute to take Silva down before he gets KOed, and with Silva's footwork and speed I do not think it could happen.

Filho has a long way to go before he is the number 1 MW. He almost lost to a guy who is probably not even top 20 right now at MW. If that was someone like Trigg, Okami, or hell maybe even Marquant he probably would have lost that fight. Filho's wrestling sucks right now, and he needs to learn that bodylocks dont work all the time. He also needs to learn how to strike because right now I doubt he could lit a match. His BJJ is awesome, probably the best in the world, but thats about it. But now that he is training with Gonzaga he will probably learn how to put some power in his punches and maybe even kicks, so with time he can be good enough to compete with the best in the MW divison. But right now, there is a whole slew of guys that would beat him IMO. Okami, Trigg, Lindland, Franklin, Hendo, Silva, Marquant, and Tanner would probably all beat Filho.

[Gurry]

where is all this bisping hate coming from, before nobody gave bisping a shot in hell vs rashad and in alotta ppls eyes including mine, he actually won, so i think all u shuld hit da archive and see what you wrote in the 78 discussion thread about how bispings skills were UNDERRATED.

[scottsec]

Underated- T. Silva
Overated- M. Serra

[scottsec]

Originally Posted by Masscore

Wow people still using the Lutter fight as an example of how to beat Anderson Silva. But you completely forget about the fight against Marquant??? Nate is better at all aspects of the game then Lutter. Better Takedowns, better BJJ, better striking, better cardio and way overall better fighter. Not only did he defend Marquant's takedowns the second it did hit the mat, he got right back up with ease, this is against a guy with some of the best BJJ in the MW divison. Did I mention he also swept Nate?? Then destoryed him with some of the most vicious GnP I have ever seen. Hell I think he almost broke the guy's eye socket. People keep on looking at Silva as a one trick pony because of how good his striking is, but everyone is also so qucik to forget that he is also a BJJ Black Belt, which he earned from Big Nog. Big Nog does not just give out Black Belts to anyone. Filho got outstruck by Sonnen who is no where near Silva's league, hell if Silva was MLB, Sonnen would be a high school team. I say Filho would have about a minute to take Silva down before he gets KOed, and with Silva's footwork and speed I do not think it could happen.

Filho has a long way to go before he is the number 1 MW. He almost lost to a guy who is probably not even top 20 right now at MW. If that was someone like Trigg, Okami, or hell maybe even Marquant he probably would have lost that fight. Filho's wrestling sucks right now, and he needs to learn that bodylocks dont work all the time. He also needs to learn how to strike because right now I doubt he could lit a match. His BJJ is awesome, probably the best in the world, but thats about it. But now that he is training with Gonzaga he will probably learn how to put some power in his punches and maybe even kicks, so with time he can be good enough to compete with the best in the MW divison. But right now, there is a whole slew of guys that would beat him IMO. Okami, Trigg, Lindland, Franklin, Hendo, Silva, Marquant, and Tanner would probably all beat Filho.

Yeah Filho hasnt shown me shit...

[Ubermensch]

Originally Posted by Masscore

Wow people still using the Lutter fight as an example of how to beat Anderson Silva. But you completely forget about the fight against Marquant??? Nate is better at all aspects of the game then Lutter. Better Takedowns, better BJJ, better striking, better cardio and way overall better fighter. Not only did he defend Marquant's takedowns the second it did hit the mat, he got right back up with ease, this is against a guy with some of the best BJJ in the MW divison. Did I mention he also swept Nate?? Then destoryed him with some of the most vicious GnP I have ever seen. Hell I think he almost broke the guy's eye socket. People keep on looking at Silva as a one trick pony because of how good his striking is, but everyone is also so qucik to forget that he is also a BJJ Black Belt, which he earned from Big Nog. Big Nog does not just give out Black Belts to anyone. Filho got outstruck by Sonnen who is no where near Silva's league, hell if Silva was MLB, Sonnen would be a high school team. I say Filho would have about a minute to take Silva down before he gets KOed, and with Silva's footwork and speed I do not think it could happen.

They also forget the Anderson had surgery on both knees before the fight and Travis didn't make weight. Two verry important factors to that fight.

[dofking]

Why is matt serra overrated when EVERYONE is talking about how hes gonna get pwnT by Hughes and GSP... i would go and say he is underrated. Look past his trash talking and look at his boxing and bjj credentials.

overrated would be thiago silva... he almost got his ass kicked by james irvin but won due to a freak injury and he beaten a 0 ground game houston alexander. Jump to his bandwagon quick enough? I like the guy hes an exciting fighter with good standup and ground game and hes got all the chances in the world to make it up top. But putting him in the top 10 now come on thats just ridiculous.