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[AJL416AZ]

Machida got dropped by Stephan Bonnar in their fight, if i recall.
the dude is real good, strange style and hes fast and elusive, but hes not God. he has little head movement, and is definitely undersized in this division of monsters.


i think Jardine is a fight Lyoto should take because that has real title ramifications right now since both have some good recent wins. Lyoto has only 2 good names that you can build a title run off of, because except Nakamura and Sokodjou, all the guys in the UFC he has beat have been shitty fighters that are not relevant in any title talk, ever.

[smoogy]

Originally Posted by AJL416AZ

Machida got dropped by Stephan Bonnar in their fight, if i recall.
the dude is real good, strange style and hes fast and elusive, but hes not God. he has little head movement, and is definitely undersized in this division of monsters.


i think Jardine is a fight Lyoto should take because that has real title ramifications right now since both have some good recent wins. Lyoto has only 2 good names that you can build a title run off of, because except Nakamura and Sokodjou, all the guys in the UFC he has beat have been shitty fighters that are not relevant in any title talk, ever.

Bonnar landed one, maybe two punches and took Machida out of his rhythm, but never dropped him. Nobody has.

I find it interesting that there has been such a backlash against Lyoto now that he finally gets recognition from some people. I guess thats what happens when it finally becomes "cool" to like a certain fighter. The people who try to portray him as never having faced a top 10 opponent or never having had an exciting fight are kidding themselves though.

Regarding Chuck vs. Lyoto, I wouldn't worry, I doubt anyone in the UFC brass wants that fight to happen. There still is money to be made off of Chuck, they can't risk him getting dismantled like every other one of Machida's opponents.

[Gurry]

Originally Posted by smoogy

Bonnar landed one, maybe two punches and took Machida out of his rhythm, but never dropped him. Nobody has.

I find it interesting that there has been such a backlash against Lyoto now that he finally gets recognition from some people. I guess thats what happens when it finally becomes "cool" to like a certain fighter. The people who try to portray him as never having faced a top 10 opponent or never having had an exciting fight are kidding themselves though.

Regarding Chuck vs. Lyoto, I wouldn't worry, I doubt anyone in the UFC brass wants that fight to happen. There still is money to be made off of Chuck, they can't risk him getting dismantled like every other one of Machida's opponents.

well to tell you the truth i dont know how chuck and machida would go. They both have weird unique styles and itd be an interesting fight, can chuck split his elusive style and get some strikes in there?, if chuck duz how good is lyotos chin really?, However, that involves chuck being aggresive and going after the kill, something we all know chuck isnt good at (page v chuck 2). However, itll be interesting to see if chuck can split his superior ddefense. Lyoto is the mayweather of mma, you cant hit the motherfucker, you cant beat him, everybody hates him, but theres nothing you can do about it, cuz hes lyoto.

[AJL416AZ]

i heard that Bonnar clipped him. nvm then.

Chuck has a slowish predictable striking style that someone like Machida could get a big win off of, but i think that he would beat Machida.
hes real seasoned and Machida's style might frustrate him but its not going to surprise him or confuse him, and he has height, weight, reach, and power advantage on Machida. all he would have to is time him once, on his odd little entry moves since he doesnt move his head much.

[KENO5366]

Originally Posted by dbader08

It won't be boring if chuck pushes the pace, but i would like to see chuck face rashad and lyoto vs jardine.

I think the Chuck/Rashad fight would be good. I could see this fight playing right in to Chuck's style. Chuck's take down D will force rashad to trade. Rashad gets aggressive on the stand up and Chuck counters and Ko's.

[uvsc22]

Originally Posted by Severn

Chuck was champ for two years. He was 4-1 as champ. People make it sound as if he had some kind of legendary run. Ortiz had five successful title defenses in two years. Wanderlei was champ for about six years. If Anderson Silva beats Dan Henderson that'll make him 4-0 as champ in less than two years.

Lets not let a fighters popularity blind us from the facts

You are right, it wasn't a legendary run...beating Randy Couture twice is no big deal (once gaining the title and once defending the title-both 5 round title fights, both fights part of the run.)

Machida vs. Chuck

Machida will not get the fight to the ground. His Jiu Jitsu is in A+, but his takedown aren't. IMO Chucks takedown defense is better than Machidas takedowns.

Standing up....The only advantage are Machidas kicks, but....Chuck was checking Wanderlei kicks very well, while returning leg kicks as well (something he did not do in the Jardine fight). Looks like checking kicks and also throwing kicks is back in Chucks gameplan. ( something he didnt need to do up until recently).

Yes they are both known for being counter strikers..but...Chuck did counter strike in the Wanderlei fight...but was also pushing the pace and being the aggressor the majority of the time.. Chuck would engage first, something we are not used to...so it is normal to say he is a counter striker, but the Wanderlei fight showed he can do both.

Bottom line, it would be a close fight, but Chuck is a big LHW and Machida is not. Chuck has more knock out power, and can throw from odd angles. He also has a reach advantage...his fighting style is more aggresive than Machidas. Chuck KO's Machida in the 1st or 2nd...or Machida grinds out a gay ass desicion.