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[rivethead]

Herring by UD. Kongo has nothing Heath hasn't seen in better opponents.

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[Quintessential Studmuffin]

I deffinetly see Herring taking this. I think hed be able to outstrike Kongo,or just expose his ground game(or lack thereof). I remember during his fight with Silva,Kongo looked like absolute shit on the ground, Rogan even suggests "someone should kidnap Kongo and just take him to a wrestling school for the next 3 months"

I think Herring will either sub or tko Kongo,Round 2.

[Rufio]

I'm not even convinced Kongo has the edge standing. Their hands are pretty even IMO. Kongo is better in the clinch but Herring has a hell of a chin and knockout power. I haven't seen Kongo's chin tested all that much. As it stand, I'm betting on Herring by ground 'n pound or submission.

[Punk Ass]

Kongo will win this, now who has the balls to put their sigs on the line?

Kongo is a world class Muay Thai kickboxer who is getting better on the ground. Personally, I think Kongo would beat Mark Hunt's ass too.

Anyway, I think Herring doesn't have much for a ground game or at least not enough to beat Kongo.

Edit: I had to say this. Why the hell does everybody say CroCop is a shell of himself? He fights the same way he fought in Pride. Has anybody ever thought about the fact that CroCop may have just met his match here in the UFC? CroCop was in his prime coming into the UFC, he just came from winning the OWGP. Gonzgaga beat CroCop's ass at every aspect of the game. Couldn't just be that Gonzaga was the bigger, stronger, and better prepared fighter that night?

Also, Kongo is a world class Muay Thai kickboxer, why the fuck can't he just have better standup than CroCop? He's taller, longer reach, stronger, and puched the pace, I', not surprised by the outcome especially since Gonzaga beat him. Why can't anyone call a spade a spade and accept that there are fighters who can beat a prime CroCop?

[Quintessential Studmuffin]

Originally Posted by harlemhustla145

Kongo will win this, now who has the balls to put their sigs on the line?

Kongo is a world class Muay Thai kickboxer who is getting better on the ground. Personally, I think Kongo would beat Mark Hunt's ass too.

Anyway, I think Herring doesn't have much for a ground game or at least not enough to beat Kongo.

Edit: I had to say this. Why the hell does everybody say CroCop is a shell of himself? He fights the same way he fought in Pride. Has anybody ever thought about the fact that CroCop may have just met his match here in the UFC? CroCop was in his prime coming into the UFC, he just came from winning the OWGP. Gonzgaga beat CroCop's ass at every aspect of the game. Couldn't just be that Gonzaga was the bigger, stronger, and better prepared fighter that night?

Also, Kongo is a world class Muay Thai kickboxer, why the fuck can't he just have better standup than CroCop? He's taller, longer reach, stronger, and puched the pace, I', not surprised by the outcome especially since Gonzaga beat him. Why can't anyone call a spade a spade and accept that there are fighters who can beat a prime CroCop?

Ill take a sig bet on Herring molly whopping Kongo. Month sound good to you?

[Intellectual]

some of you really underrating Herring. i'll be cheering for him to win.

[Punk Ass]

Originally Posted by Quintessential Studmuffin

Ill take a sig bet on Herring molly whopping Kongo. Month sound good to you?

No, 2 weeks sounds reasonable, no?

[Rufio]

Originally Posted by harlemhustla145

Kongo is a world class Muay Thai kickboxer who is getting better on the ground. Personally, I think Kongo would beat Mark Hunt's ass too.

Name ONE world class opponent Kongo has beaten in Muay Thai or kickboxing.

Originally Posted by harlemhustla145

Anyway, I think Herring doesn't have much for a ground game or at least not enough to beat Kongo.

That's because you have no idea what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by harlemhustla145

Edit: I had to say this. Why the hell does everybody say CroCop is a shell of himself?

Because they've watched his fights and seen the difference, which has all the subtelty of a Mack truck.

Originally Posted by harlemhustla145

He fights the same way he fought in Pride.

You can say this all you want, but it just makes it obvious that you haven't actually WATCHED many of Cro Cop's fights in Pride. He did NOT fight like he has in the UFC in ANY of the fights he's praised for.

He fought with the same slouched over, slow moving style he had against Gonzaga and Kongo when he first entered Pride from K-1 and hadn't adjusted. Fighting with this style, he got outrstruck by Wanderlei. Bad. Wand had Cro Cop backing up pretty much every exchange. Big difference from a few years later when Cro Cop fought Wand with the style he's used throughout most of his Pride and K-1 career. The other time he fought like this was against Kanehara after the Randleman KO.

I will break the difference down in very simple terms:

Cro Cop with mental issues (when he first entered Pride, when he first entered the UFC, and when he's rebouncing from a KO): Fights with a slouched over stance, pretty much walks forward slowly, doesn't do much dodging, and just throws the occasional big shot


Cro Cop at his best: JUMPS (does not walk) around the ring in a circular motion, landing shots and jumping out of range before his opponent can counter. Is very fast.



You can't see the difference because you don't want to see the difference. That and I'm starting to doubt how many Cro Cop fights you've actually seen.

Originally Posted by harlemhustla145

Has anybody ever thought about the fact that CroCop may have just met his match here in the UFC? CroCop was in his prime coming into the UFC, he just came from winning the OWGP. Gonzgaga beat CroCop's ass at every aspect of the game. Couldn't just be that Gonzaga was the bigger, stronger, and better prepared fighter that night?

Or could it be the fact that Cro Cop literally stood there and did nothing aside from throwing one kick the entire first minute of the fight?

Originally Posted by harlemhustla145

Also, Kongo is a world class Muay Thai kickboxer, why the fuck can't he just have better standup than CroCop?

1. He fought the same slouched over, flat-footed unconident Cro Cop that Wanderlei soundly outstruck

2. He got OUTSTRUCK by that Cro Cop in the first round and pretty much every time Cro Cop actually fought back. The only time he was really winning against Cro Cop was in the clinch and when Cro Cop was just standing there not doing anything. When both of them were letting their hands loose, Cro Cop won most of the exchanges. Kongo's striking looked far less impressive than Wanderlei's

3. Kongo got oustruck by Gilbert Yvel

4. Please stop calling Kongo "world class" until you can cite some actual major Muay Thai accomplishments of his

Originally Posted by harlemhustla145

He's taller, longer reach, stronger, and puched the pace, I', not surprised by the outcome especially since Gonzaga beat him. Why can't anyone call a spade a spade and accept that there are fighters who can beat a prime CroCop?

Why can't you stop living in your dream world where Rampage is vastly different than he was in Pride while Cro Cop is the same? To those of us with functioning eyeballs it's getting nauseating.

[Quintessential Studmuffin]

Originally Posted by harlemhustla145

No, 2 weeks sounds reasonable, no?

that works.

[jlruthven84]

Originally Posted by Rufio

Name ONE world class opponent Kongo has beaten in Muay Thai or kickboxing.






That's because you have no idea what you're talking about.





Because they've watched his fights and seen the difference, which has all the subtelty of a Mack truck.






You can say this all you want, but it just makes it obvious that you haven't actually WATCHED many of Cro Cop's fights in Pride. He did NOT fight like he has in the UFC in ANY of the fights he's praised for.

He fought with the same slouched over, slow moving style he had against Gonzaga and Kongo when he first entered Pride from K-1 and hadn't adjusted. Fighting with this style, he got outrstruck by Wanderlei. Bad. Wand had Cro Cop backing up pretty much every exchange. Big difference from a few years later when Cro Cop fought Wand with the style he's used throughout most of his Pride and K-1 career. The other time he fought like this was against Kanehara after the Randleman KO.

I will break the difference down in very simple terms:

Cro Cop with mental issues (when he first entered Pride, when he first entered the UFC, and when he's rebouncing from a KO): Fights with a slouched over stance, pretty much walks forward slowly, doesn't do much dodging, and just throws the occasional big shot


Cro Cop at his best: JUMPS (does not walk) around the ring in a circular motion, landing shots and jumping out of range before his opponent can counter. Is very fast.



You can't see the difference because you don't want to see the difference. That and I'm starting to doubt how many Cro Cop fights you've actually seen.









Or could it be the fact that Cro Cop literally stood there and did nothing aside from throwing one kick the entire first minute of the fight?





1. He fought the same slouched over, flat-footed unconident Cro Cop that Wanderlei soundly outstruck

2. He got OUTSTRUCK by that Cro Cop in the first round and pretty much every time Cro Cop actually fought back. The only time he was really winning against Cro Cop was in the clinch and when Cro Cop was just standing there not doing anything. When both of them were letting their hands loose, Cro Cop won most of the exchanges. Kongo's striking looked far less impressive than Wanderlei's

3. Kongo got oustruck by Gilbert Yvel

4. Please stop calling Kongo "world class" until you can cite some actual major Muay Thai accomplishments of his







Why can't you stop living in your dream world where Rampage is vastly different than he was in Pride while Cro Cop is the same? To those of us with functioning eyeballs it's getting nauseating.

Rep'd big time.

Its true, all you've got to do is look at Cro Cop's stance in the UFC as opposed to his PRIDE heyday, and the difference is obvious. Against Wandy, Barnett, even a good deal of the Fedor fight, he was using great footwork, creating angles, and setting up that LHK expertly. And that's another thing...it really speaks a great deal of someone's skill when they can still catch an opponent with a technique they KNOW FULL WELL is coming.

If he gets a spring back in his step, he could finally be a force in the UFC.