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[kc56]

Originally Posted by TriangleChoke

and that in turn would make him unable to fight elsewhere, right?

From the contract I saw, that is correct. If a fighter retires, the UFC maintains the rights to them.

Originally Posted by da@LARGE

I think it's obvious that Randy doesn't want to fight anyone but Fedor because at this point in his life he doesn't want to risk losing to lesser ranked fighters. He's ready to retire but wants one final fight worthy of retiring after.

That is true, but he signed a contract for 4 fights. No where in that contract did it say that fight #3 would be against Fedor. Man up and honor your contract.

Originally Posted by da@LARGE

Say he does lose to Big Nog or Sylvia, then a fight with Fedor wouldn't matter so much because it wouldn't be the definitive #1 HW fight that it is right now.

That's still not up to him. I honestly think he would lose to both of them. So because he actually won 2 fights in a row, he now deserves to fight only the best guy in the world? That is kind of a stretch. If he wants to be the best, beating or putting up a good fight against the best guy, is kind of a short cut and a cop-out.

Originally Posted by da@LARGE

In any other case, a fighter shouldn't hold out for a specific fight. But a guy like Randy who's given so much to the sport deserves to go out under his own conditions. And doesn't deserve to be compared to a whiny child who isn't given his what he wants.

I didn't say he was a whiny child yet. I did say that the situation is childish. My point is, with the time it will take to argue this out, he could have honored his contract, and could very well be fighting Fedor. With the way he is trying to go about it, I don't think we will ever see the fight. And personally, I am starting to think that is for the best.

Originally Posted by da@LARGE

you're sig's awesome though, Chuck pissed me off too the way he stalled at the end of the fight.

Amen to that, after 6 years of saying he was "gonna knock Wanderlei out" to do that?

[singinkangaroooo]

but here is an interesting question i thought of (could have been discussed already but i havent seen it)... say Randy does fight the winner of Big Nog and Poopypants.. and he wins that.... do you guys thing Dana and the UFC would ice him inorder to get a new contract or would they let him fight his 4th and last fight of the contract then go off and fight Fedor in some other promotion?

i personally think Dana would honor that contract but try convincing Randy to resign or actually swallow his buisness practices and set the fight up in the octagon... if that fight were to take place i think Randy has a very good shot at winning if it was in an octagon... just my thoughts

[LookitsLance]

i think that if Nogueira wins and Randy doesnt fight Nogueira then there is a problem as Nogueira is a top 10 fighter, with wins over alot of good fighters and a better HW record then randy and think that Randy should fight him before Fedor.

[Clint]

Originally Posted by TriangleChoke

and that in turn would make him unable to fight elsewhere, right?

Yeah that effectively would lock his contract until he fought for them 2 times or until he managed to get a court to let him out (very unlikely to happen)

[bryanw33]

Originally Posted by captonion

Dana cares fuck all about MMA IMO.With M-1 willing to lend out it's fighters,what in flying fuck is keeping this fight from happening?
One word DANA!!

Not to piss in your flowerpot, but last I checked, Dana didnt actually own the UFC, so I seriously doubt that Dana is the only person holding this up

[twankydawg]

I think Randy isn't doing anything but wasting his time here. I think he could get the 2 fights remaining out of the way faster than fighting to get out of his contract. If he doesn't fight those 2 fights, I think he'll end up being tied up in court for much longer than his original contract term.

[Diegonightmare]

Originally Posted by twankydawg

I think Randy isn't doing anything but wasting his time here. I think he could get the 2 fights remaining out of the way faster than fighting to get out of his contract. If he doesn't fight those 2 fights, I think he'll end up being tied up in court for much longer than his original contract term.

Depends on if this "champion's clause" that we've heard about is actually in the contract or not. If it is, and Randy fights twice more and wins (thus being still HW champion), then potentially he's still contracted to Zuffa. We just don't know how exactly Randy's contract reads.

If Randy were to fight another two times and lose one of those fights he'd almost certainly be free of his contract - but I would be horrified if Randy deliberately threw one of those fights. That would be out of the question.

I think Randy is done with Zuffa and the UFC, period. He won't fight for them again; and if legally he can fight Fedor this year he will, but if he can't, we've seen the last of Randy in a cage (or ring).

[LookitsLance]

I think Randy should just finish his two fights and relinquish the belt..you can just give up a title you know. Then you have 2 more wins, 1 over one of the best HW's in the world in Nogueria(if he beats tim)and the other over hopefully another top 10. Depending on the 2nd opponent, that would put Randy's HW wins pretty close to Fedors, meaning that when he beats Fedor he not only beat the best, but also most of the rest of the top 10.

[twankydawg]

Originally Posted by Diegonightmare

Depends on if this "champion's clause" that we've heard about is actually in the contract or not. If it is, and Randy fights twice more and wins (thus being still HW champion), then potentially he's still contracted to Zuffa. We just don't know how exactly Randy's contract reads.

If Randy were to fight another two times and lose one of those fights he'd almost certainly be free of his contract - but I would be horrified if Randy deliberately threw one of those fights. That would be out of the question.

I think Randy is done with Zuffa and the UFC, period. He won't fight for them again; and if legally he can fight Fedor this year he will, but if he can't, we've seen the last of Randy in a cage (or ring).

I agree. I think he turned down the fight with Nog hoping the UFC would strip him and he could get out of his contract. I don't see Randy throwing a fight just to get out of his contract. Another possibility is that he works something out with Dana to relenquish the title and have them bring in Fedor for 1 last fight. There is no telling how all this shit will end up but I think his easiest way out is to give them his 2 fights, otherwise like you said, I believe we've seen the last of Randy Couture in MMA.

[MONSONBYCHOKE]

Randy should finish his fights and then retire and go to WWe and fight there where the real fighters are.....lol....sarcasim