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Old 01-18-2008, 12:40 PM   #1 (permalink)
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January 18, 2008 By: Sam Caplan Category: UFC 80, UFC

I know what the comments are going to say, “Who the hell cares what Don King says?”

While I don’t put much stock in a 73-year old boxing promoter who is a convicted criminal that has been sued by a lot of his fighters and is promoting a match between Roy Jones Jr. and Felix Trinidad that is five years too late, it still irks me when he says crap like this:

”I love the UFC,” King said. ”Dana White and the Fertitta brothers [Frank and Lorenzo Fertitta and White own the UFC] have done a marvelous job, but their decline lately has been precipitous.

”If they don’t find a new way to stimulate interest, boxing will be all alone on top again.”

Those comments appear in today’s online edition of the Chicago Sun-Times and were preceded by a quote in which King attempted to denegrade Saturday’s UFC 80 card in New Castle:

”They have a mediocre fight in London that will be shown on a delayed basis,” he said. ”I have no problem with that.”

I can’t say that I blame King for not being worried about UFC 80. I think the so-called “crossover” audience between boxing and MMA has been exaggerated by many and there will be a lot of casual MMA fans who won’t be watching UFC 80 tomorrow afternoon during the live broadcast at 3 p.m. ET or the tape delayed showing at night. However, I’m not so sure those casual fans will be paying to see Trinidad vs. Jones, either.

That being said, King is talking out of his butt when he claims the UFC is experiencing a “precipitous” decline. If the UFC really is in decline, then boxing should be so lucky to have a decline like the one the UFC experiencing.

While I disagree with those who claim boxing is dead, it’s popularity in the United States has decreased. Boxing’s popularity is as strong as ever when it comes to certain demographics but for the most part its fanbase is aging and the sport itself is not doing a good job of luring the next generation of fans.

The reality is that King knows better. He likely said what he said to get a reaction and get some publicity for tomorrow’s card in New York, which from what I hear is not selling well. Well, if this column is any indication, King’s transparent strategy has worked to some degree.

Back in the day when I was a big boxing fan, Jones and Trinidad were two of my favorite fighters. Truth be told, I’m still interested in tomorrow’s fight between the two even though they are both past their peak. That being said, I’ll be damned if I am going to pony up $50 for it. It’s a fight that belongs on HBO or Showtime, not PPV.

UFC vice president of regulatory affairs, Marc Ratner, who is no stranger to King from his days with the Nevada State Athletic Commission pretty much feels the same way I do:

”Five or six years ago, Tito vs. Roy was a fight I couldn’t wait for. I’m interested to see which guy has the most left. I’ll watch it on video when I get home [from Great Britain].”

And while I am underwhelmed by UFC 80’s undercard, it still has a lot more to offer than the undercard for Trinidad vs. Jones, with Andrew “Groin Shot” Golotta the featured attraction.

Only in America? No thanks, I’ll take the fight card Penn vs. Stevenson in the UK over boxing any day of the week.
Source: Five Ounces of Pain | Don King thinks the UFC is in decline

Hehehe. I think King's upset that not only is his sport going the way of the dinosaur among the hearts of young fans, but it's the antics of himself and people like him that are as much to blame for its extinction as anything else.
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Old 01-18-2008, 12:59 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Don King is delusional. I dont know where this decline is that he speaks of?? Sure he is mainly doing this to stir some shit up and get his name out there again.
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Hes probably referring to the drop in PPV views. I believe that even the UFC has admitted that PPV buys in 2007 were less than those in 2006 and that revenue is down for 2007, but the UFC blames all that one their efforts to expand overseas. Mainstream sports attention (ie ESPN) has also dropped dramatically since the summer, although one could always argue that this is at least in part due to the NFL season. Its not the complete story since they dont say much at all about MMA on any of the ESPN shows even when they dont have anything else to talk about, but whatever.
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Don also went on to say that the UFC is "deciduous and ostentatious" and that their marketing plan is "impetuous and impregnable....." Or something along those lines

Seriously, does this guy walk around with a theasaurus when we spouts out this nonsense?
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"Don King sees the end of the UFC."

I see the point at which Don King stopped being relevant; its called 1998.
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Haha i like how he mixes pretending he likes it with statements about it not doing well, oh Don you wily fox.
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Don King is delusional. I dont know where this decline is that he speaks of?? Sure he is mainly doing this to stir some shit up and get his name out there again.
Yeah, this is all for some publicity.

He needs to get his facts straight because he is either ill informed, or makes it up as he goes..

I'll go with the latter.
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HMM.. decline huh?

So 6 out of the top ten PPV's over 07 is a decline huh? what a MORON
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Source: Five Ounces of Pain | Don King thinks the UFC is in decline

Hehehe. I think King's upset that not only is his sport going the way of the dinosaur among the hearts of young fans, but it's the antics of himself and people like him that are as much to blame for its extinction as anything else.
How do you figure? Boxing has had its its most profitable year in terms of PPV last year and that isn't all due to "old timers". I am Latino and i know for a fact that boxing isn't dead in the hearts of the younger generation. Most of my Latino friends would be able to tell you the winner of the last big boxing match and then ask you if Tito Ortiz is the champ.

THIS IS NOT A BOXING V. MMA, which one is better, post.

Boxing is an established sport as as such will ALWAYS have a fan base. Right now it consists of a mixture of ages and people. The age factor is what i believe is important, for this guarantees the passing of boxing as a tradition. MMA does not have that luxury, this agree anything else i say but i think we can all agree that MOST of the current and new MMA fans are a certain demographic 18-35 year old males. And as much as this group like violence we also know they are fickle and many new comers are here for a fad not a sport.

Also I am going to go on a limb here and touch on something people might disagree with. Not only is the current average fan young males but also white. Now i dont have hard evidence to back up my claims only what i have personally seen and experienced. I live in a predominantly Hispanic area, though when i go to the local bar to see the fights i would say close to 85 percent of people the are white. Now there is obviously no problem with anyone skin color but my point in that a big part of fight fans in the US consist of black and hispanic people, yet this market remains untapped. As companies know now a days you have to have every one on board to be truly successful. A large portion of potential buyers can stay just that, potential buyers. Now i know that Dana has spoken about getting the UFC into Mexico this year but as they are learning in the UK its not always a easy sell and i contend that it would be MUCH harder to sell in Mexico than almost anywhere else.

Mexico is mostly a two sport nation Soccer and Boxing. As we know first hand introducing a new sport into a country and trying to make it profitable is almost an exercise in futility. It would be like if they try to sell the average American a soccer league, a Major Soccer League if you will indulge me. Now i don't care what kinda marketing they would have most Americans would not only not watch it but actually resist the very notion. I see the same possibly happening in Mexico.

I feel that the ground game come natural to a lot of you, seeing many people went to high schools that had wrestling. Now i don't know the percentage but i don't know a single Hispanic person who went to a high school with wrestling much less was a wrestler. I think Mexico is the same way. I feel this would hamper the appreciation and learning of the ground game. Though it has a rich history of pro wrestling, i don't think a Mexican newcomer would return after one lay and pray match ( i actually experienced this after inviting a lot of new people to what turned out the be a P.O.S card, 5/5 never come over to see another again). You must also remember that this would be seen as a rival towards boxing and thus would meet resistance before a match is ever seen.

Also you have to remember the kind of fighters Mexican boxers are, tactical fighters that love to slug it out and push always forward. Most are very educated about striking. I contend that though there are great strikers in MMA most would not meet the Mexican expectation.

Also UFC will try to push Mexican fighters, But there is a problem with this, see Mexicans find it hard to cheer for Pochos (Mexican Americans), a lot of them hated DLH for a long time and it wasn't until the Mayorga fight that i saw the last resistance almost disappear. In short if they want this tactic to work well they have to find great Mexican born MMA fighters. There is one more thing but ill leave is out cause i know ill have long discussions over it.

The ufc needs giant fan base that will be there good times and bad, so it is guaranteed the time it needs to become a mainstay. I have no idea if they can penetrate the Black/Hispanic fight fans but i think its crucial to unsure this base. Boxing has the upper hand still and though i dont say this with a bit of pleasure being a MMA fan, i believe boxing will outlast MMA as a major sport, i believe most of the fans with in the next few years will not be life long fans. So no Boxing has a way to go before becoming extinct though its promoters seem intent to prove me wrong.

Oh almost forgot i think Don King is an idiot but I will have to pass on 80 and watch the Tito RJJ fight.
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i live in a medium sized city in canada and i have about 15 close friends who gather to watch EVERY ufc event sometimes we buy the ppv at home sometimes we goto the local sports bar a couple months back during a ufc ppv i mentioned flyod mayweather and the rumors of him getting into mma and not one of the people there even knew who he was i was quite shocked... nobody gives a shit about boxing where i live including me thats all im gonna say on this topic
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