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[littlequaker]

I wont argue that sherk isn't stronger the GSP, but GSP is the top of the mountain in the welterweight division. He's also a huge WW. I really do think Penn can beat Sherk, but there are so many crazy things that happen in this sport, Im hesitant to say anything anymore. I was really hoping to see Penn fight into the later rounds to see how his cardio is now. I think Joe was really beaten before the match even started, the stress and emotions of his first shot at the title really seemed to effect him. It was written all over his face the whole fight. Sherk wont have that problem. Though maybe his anger at Penn will get to him, but I kind of doubt it, not if he's a true pro. I'd say Penn by submission, Sherk if it goes the distance.

[pa99fighter]

Originally Posted by Steve88

repped for knowing what your talking about.. sherk is gonna lnp penn, hell i dont even think sherk can take penn down

Sherk has top 3 to 5 takedowns in the ufc. He is going to take down and tire out BJ Penn. especially going into the later rounds bj would be done cause Sherk can go all day and if u think hes only in that good of shape u should take a look at ufc all access again.

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[KnowledgeKnown]

I'm actually surprised that anyone thinks Sherk can beat Penn. How? I mean Sherk can't finish fighters he's dominating throughout a fight, and last I knew Bj has never been dominated by anyone throughout a fight including when he moved up to 205. Stevenson is a better fighter than Sherk. I seriously believe Sherk would lose rather badly to Joe. Joe is better at just about everything. Now, do I think Sherk could squeek out a decision against Penn? Sure but here's how it would have to go. 1st round, Penn dominates Sherk and I can't imagine that round going any other way. 2nd round Penn starts right where he left off, starts to fade at the end of round 2 because of Sherks incredible cardio and pace. Round 3, Sherk by now has already felt Penns stand up so takes it to the ground because Penn is exausted and can't defend takedowns as well. Lays and prays because there's no way on gods green earth he'll submit BJ. Round 4, same thing. Round 5, same thing. Sherk grinds out another anti climatic decision. 3 rounds to 2. Lay and pray extravaganza.

Ok now slap yourself and wake the hell up! Perhaps you didn't see The Penn Stevenson fight. Penn is in total shape. Penn will not be gassing, and Sherk won't make it out of the 3rd round. Stevenson but up a better fight than "the muskle Shark" will. And yes I spelled muscle wrong on purpose. Sean Sherk will not beat BJ Penn.

by the way I have nothing against Sherk, I respect the training and will power it takes to get in his kind of cardio shape. It's world class. But his fighting skill isn't.

[Quintessential Studmuffin]

Penn should finish Sherk,round 2 or 3.

Look at Sherks record. Anytime he fights a guy with any good well rounded talents(GSP,Diaz,Franca,Kenflo),he either a) gets beat or b) Lnps his way to a win,the only guys hes ever finished are pretty much cans.Hes never even finished a fight in UFC,and the fact that some are suggesting hes gonna finish Bj is ludacris. Id shit a solid gold brick if Sherk even came close to finishing Penn.

Penn has better boxing,BJJ 10 times that of Sherk,very good wrestling(which some seem to forget)and awesome takedown defense and balance.

The only way Sherk has a chance of even coming close to winning is laying on BJ for 25 minutes.

I see BJ coming out,picking him apart on the feet for a while,defending his takedowns,catching him with a big shot,putting him on his ass,and subbing him.

Also, Lmao at the "Steroid" chants at UFC 80. I didnt even catch em.

[Adambomb]

Penn was smoking Matt Hughes before he gassed and got beat down, and he took GSP to his limit. Sherk has a similar style but is not close to the level of Matt Hughes. Just comparing their performances to common opponents in GSP and Hughes shows that Penn is a lot better. Sherk's only prayer is to hope Penn's cardio is weak, but against Stevenson it appeared to be better than it ever has been before.

Sherk is not going to LnP BJ. Penn is a former WW champion so Sherk's size advantage won't matter as much as it did against Franca.

[peno]

The only way Sherk will beat Penn is if he lays on him for 5 rounds. Sherk has no finishing ability. Thats why he relys so much on cardio and pushing the pace cause the only way he can win fights is by gassing the other opponent. BJ looked like he's in the best shape he's been in in a long time. BJ knows what he has to do and I'm sure his cardio will be ready for Sherk. "Sean Sherk, you're dead."

And yes I'd take Stevenson over Sherk any day.

Side note- I love how Goldberg kept trying to get Sherk to talk about how great BJ was during the prefight. You could tell Sherk was gett'n pissed.

[pa99fighter]

Originally Posted by peno

The only way Sherk will beat Penn is if he lays on him for 5 rounds. Sherk has no finishing ability. Thats why he relys so much on cardio and pushing the pace cause the only way he can win fights is by gassing the other opponent. BJ looked like he's in the best shape he's been in in a long time. BJ knows what he has to do and I'm sure his cardio will be ready for Sherk. "Sean Sherk, you're dead."

And yes I'd take Stevenson over Sherk any day.

Side note- I love how Goldberg kept trying to get Sherk to talk about how great BJ was during the prefight. You could tell Sherk was gett'n pissed.

Stevenson deffinently can't take Sherk

[baba]

Originally Posted by pa99fighter

agreed I think Sherk can pull a Hughes and win this fight by ground and pound

Sherk doesn't "finish" anyone, he dry humps them for 25 minutes.
Penn takes this one in 3 rounds.

[rivethead]

I do think it's funny how even die hard Sherk fans are saying his only prayer is to LnP to later rounds. Eight months ago there was a thread arguing that Sherk wasn't a lay and pray guy, that he had great skills, etc.

There is nothing Sherk has that BJ hasn't seen from bigger, stronger, more skilled fighters. On the other hand, Sherk has never faced anyone with BJ's stand-up or submissions, or the combination of the two.

Originally Posted by littlequaker

I just say, bout damn time Penn is the LW champ. He deserves to wear the belt more than any other LW out there in my honest opinion. Whether or not he'll beat Sherk, hard to say. Both guys are freaks of nature. Sherk reminds me of a young Hughes, he's such a super strong guy, I don't know if BJ's outstanding skill can top that. Between UFC 82, and 85, it's a good year for fight fans.

Sherk is the same age, if not older than Hughes.

Originally Posted by Adambomb

Penn was smoking Matt Hughes before he gassed and got beat down, and he took GSP to his limit. Sherk has a similar style but is not close to the level of Matt Hughes. Just comparing their performances to common opponents in GSP and Hughes shows that Penn is a lot better. Sherk's only prayer is to hope Penn's cardio is weak, but against Stevenson it appeared to be better than it ever has been before.

Sherk is not going to LnP BJ. Penn is a former WW champion so Sherk's size advantage won't matter as much as it did against Franca.

Seperating a rib is slightly...just slightly...different from gassing.

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[Steve88]

Originally Posted by pa99fighter

Sherk has top 3 to 5 takedowns in the ufc. He is going to take down and tire out BJ Penn. especially going into the later rounds bj would be done cause Sherk can go all day and if u think hes only in that good of shape u should take a look at ufc all access again.

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You really have no idea what you're talking about if you think that Sherk is gonna be taking Penn down.. maybe he'll get one or two takedowns total in the first 2-3 rounds until penn slows down but GSP had a very hard time taking Penn down and keeping him there u think sherk can? U must be kidding... top 3-5 in takedowns in the ufc? let's see..

Koscheck/Couture/GSP all dominate sherk in takedown ability.. throw in hendo and i just don't see how sherk is top in takedowns.. sherk is just strong and does the same lame shot from the outside as always, that shit won't work with penn..