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[koolaidx]

While Tito doesn't deserve more money, I would hate to see him leave the UFC. I love Tito's fights and appently I'm the only one who enjoyed his fight with Rashad. He is still a world class fighter and I would love to see Forrest win against Rampage and ask to fight Tito in a 5 rounder. I know there are lots of guys in front of him but I say Tito still beats over half of the top 10 guys at LHW. I know that may be a very unpopular view but I would love to see those fights to prove my point.

[Steve88]

I hope machida beats the ugly off tito

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by Steve88

I hope machida beats the ugly off tito

That's a tall order, he only has three rounds.

rh

[Adambomb]

If Tito wins then he shouldn't have trouble getting a fair deal by his standards because he'll be a top draw who just beat a legit top 10 guy. It'd be a huge mistake to let Tito go because he'll bring his spotlight to a different organization. Whether people love him or hate him, they pay attention to his fights.

With that said I can see Lorenzo's point of view. Tito is most likely past his prime and if he can't beat Machida or Liddell and struggles against Evans then his time at the top is behind him. From a competitive standpoint Tito wouldn't be worth the money he wants.

In the end I'd pay him, but I also would've brought in Fedor to make sure Randy didn't leave. We'll see how this hard nosed negotiating stance pays off relatively soon if more and more name fighters become free agents. Another org may begin to grow.

[Steve88]

Originally Posted by rivethead

That's a tall order, he only has three rounds.

rh

repped. i just spit up pepsi man.. damnit!

[foundstarr]

Originally Posted by jmcpherson21

You dont think there was some dollar amount out there that could have got fedor to give up those ridiculuous demands? You think maybe those "demands" were just a negotiating tactic to say perhaps get more money out of the UFC in exchange for easing back on those "demands"?

Once again your zero research fails you...

Fedor ended up accepting less money total then the UFC offer to get all of those requests fufilled. Also if you knew anything about Fedor his team and national pride come first most times. Thats why the Russian fights and copromotion is a deal breaker.

[maxp84z]

Originally Posted by rivethead

Fedor took less money to sign with M1 than the UFC offered. I'm sure there is some magic, astronomically high number that would have offset the other demands, but even as a Fedor fan, I don't think he's worth it, and if he were to get multiple millions per fight, it would utterly skew the rest of the fighter's salaries.

As it stands now, Randy and Tito...two of the highest paid fighters in the UFC are complaining about money. Giving crazy stupid money to Fedor would only fuel their arguments.

rh

I think FREEDOM is worth more to Fedor than money. If they would have offered him a 4 fight 18 month contract (like they did with Wandy) and allowed him to fight in his sambo tournaments Fedor would have signed. I guarentee it. Now you'll hear all this talk about Fedor saying he wanted the red devil fighters signed, events hosted in russia etc.... I think that is bull. I think in the negotiations Dana could just say, "Hey lets build a working relationship together, let's see where you are after 4 fights, If you're a reigning champion, and when it comes to signing a new contract, we'll see about an event in russia or a signing of a red devil fighter or two, but right now let's just work on the relationship between Fedor and the UFC for now"... How does that sound impossible? Dana NEEDED Fedor under his roof, by any means necessary! To copromote with M1 is just stupid. The failing to sign Fedor was what really screwed the pooch.

What I hate is how Fedor rejected the UFC's FIRST offer, and the UFC didnt even rewrite a new less binding contract. It's very bad business on the UFC's part. Especially after the promises by Dana.

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by maxp84z

I think FREEDOM is worth more to Fedor than money. If they would have offered him a 4 fight 18 month contract (like they did with Wandy) and allowed him to fight in his sambo tournaments Fedor would have signed. I guarentee it. Now you'll hear all this talk about Fedor saying he wanted the red devil fighters signed, events hosted in russia etc.... I think that is bull. I think in the negotiations Dana could just say, "Hey lets build a working relationship together, let's see where you are after 4 fights, If you're a reigning champion, and when it comes to signing a new contract, we'll see about an event in russia or a signing of a red devil fighter or two, but right now let's just work on the relationship between Fedor and the UFC for now"... How does that sound impossible? Dana NEEDED Fedor under his roof, by any means necessary! To copromote with M1 is just stupid. The failing to sign Fedor was what really screwed the pooch.

What I hate is how Fedor rejected the UFC's FIRST offer, and the UFC didnt even rewrite a new less binding contract. It's very bad business on the UFC's part. Especially after the promises by Dana.

I wouldn't guarantee anything if I wasn't actually part of the negotiations.

I'd have loved to see Fedor in the UFC, but it just doesn't make sense for either party.

Fedor wants freedom, he want's to fight Sambo; and the UFC currently has the tightest exclusive contracts in the industry...for them to budge on one fighter--regardless of how great he is--would be terrible business sense. It sets a precedent that they just don't want to entertain.

If it was the only "promise" Dana reneged on, I'd have been shocked. As it is, Dana is a promoter, and he's going to say whatever generates interest. If anyone takes his word as gospel more than once, it's their own fault.

For me it's a dead issue. I want to see Nogs with the belt, I want to see Fedor fight, and I could care less about what happens with drama and court and he-said, she-said bullshit.

rh

[Matrix]

Originally Posted by Clint

Dismissal of Babalu - He held onto a choke extra long and then bragged about it. Exactly the kind of press that the UFC is trying it's hardest to not be associated with

Yeah, but didn't BJ Penn do the same thing? He made statements that he held onto the choke in the Jens Pulver rematch because he felt Jens needed to respect him more, or something. Seems like selective policy enforcement to me.


But in the end, to me it comes down to a simple choice: If you don't like the money being offered, don't sign the contract. You have no leg to stand on if you sign a contract THEN bitch about the money. That's just stupid.

[twankydawg]

Originally Posted by Matrix

But in the end, to me it comes down to a simple choice: If you don't like the money being offered, don't sign the contract. You have no leg to stand on if you sign a contract THEN bitch about the money. That's just stupid.

I agree man, Tito also has an overinflated sense of worth at this point, I think he's upset about this fight because he's going to get owned by Machida. IMO it's about time that they put him in there with some top comp. Let him show why he needs that better money and consideration for another title shot because judging by his last few fights, he doesn't deserve either at this point.

Originally Posted by maxp84z

I think FREEDOM is worth more to Fedor than money. If they would have offered him a 4 fight 18 month contract (like they did with Wandy) and allowed him to fight in his sambo tournaments Fedor would have signed. I guarentee it. Now you'll hear all this talk about Fedor saying he wanted the red devil fighters signed, events hosted in russia etc.... I think that is bull. I think in the negotiations Dana could just say, "Hey lets build a working relationship together, let's see where you are after 4 fights, If you're a reigning champion, and when it comes to signing a new contract, we'll see about an event in russia or a signing of a red devil fighter or two, but right now let's just work on the relationship between Fedor and the UFC for now"... How does that sound impossible? Dana NEEDED Fedor under his roof, by any means necessary! To copromote with M1 is just stupid. The failing to sign Fedor was what really screwed the pooch.

What I hate is how Fedor rejected the UFC's FIRST offer, and the UFC didnt even rewrite a new less binding contract. It's very bad business on the UFC's part. Especially after the promises by Dana.

Bad business on the UFC's part? Please tell me how because this is what they have been doing and it seems to be working great for them up to this point, what qualifies you to pass judgement on what's good and bad for business?

Your Dana hating has made it to where I regret everytime I see one of your posts because I'm always duped into reading it but it always ends up the same, you bashing Dana and the UFC. You used to not do that in every post and you actually contributed to the topic. Now everything is bashing on Dana, the UFC, how they fucked up not signing Fedor, and how their business is so poorly run. How about leaving those things in the Fedor threads and discussing the topic at hand?