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[Krazikarl]

Think about the New England Patriots since this is Super Bowl season. The Patsies are a great team because they dont pay guys more than they are worth and dont pay old guys like they were in their prime. I know that its not really a direct analogy because there are a lot of differences, but the point is that there is a lot of support in other sports for it being smart not to pay guys big bucks because of what they used to be.

Who else is going to pay Tito anything? He cant go overseas because his pay is based entirely on recognition, not skill. I mean, look at what happened when he wasnt in the UFC before: he didnt fight for anybody else and was in real financial trouble. Who else is going to pay the maybe 15th best LHW in the world more than the UFC has in the past? Nobody.

Tito can throw all the fits he wants, but the market for him just isnt out there, so he will be back to the UFC eventually once he realizes that that is where he will make the best money. Plus I really dont know how much of a draw he is anymore. I didnt think that his fight win Rashad sold that well.

Dana isnt paying guys like Tito too much because once he overpays one guy, then hes in trouble whenever he has to sign somebody else. Lets say that he wants to sign or resign a LHW in the near future, and he gives Tito 1.5 mil per fight. If the LHW is better than Tito, he will be expected to be paid similarily or more, so now Dana is under more pressure to pay all the top LHWs more. Pretty soon everybody wants more and more.

You see this happen all the time in other sports. One free agent gets overpaid, and pretty soon lots of people are whining and holding out because they want to be paid more than the overpaid person (see Gary Matthes Jr in baseball, and then every Center Fielder out there wanting big bucks now). Dana pretty much has to stonewall these guys, because now guys know that if he stonewalls Tito and Randy, its not smart to butt heads with him since the big boys didnt get away with it.

Once again, Dana isnt playing nice, but its a good business move. Really the UFC doesnt need Tito any more, so they arent going to pay an over the hill guy too much more than his skill merits.

[foutch550]

Originally Posted by BigBanda

The prob with Tito is he thinks he is above everyone else and he even talks that way. I mean he just basically said that Lyoto Machida is not a big fight for him but is accepting it because fans saying he wont fight him and he wants to be done with his contract. Lyoto is a quality opponent right now being undefeated and just submitting a fighter that KO'd Lil Nog and Arona. Regardless of what Tito has done in the past, he has not impressed anyone in his last few fights.

Tito needs to buckle down, train hard and come out with a big win over Lyoto and then he will be given a bigger opportunity thus equaling more money.

Good call. I just dont want Tito to use the "I wasnt motivated for this fight cuz (enter excuse here) i.e. UFC problems, lack of a big fight, etc.". I do like Tito and I hope they straighten this shit out. Although Tito isnt the fighter Couture is, he does have star power. This could be the beginning of the whole "out with the old..." movement that would/could be pretty bad for the UFC. Love him or hate him, Tito makes the UFC money. People pay to see Tito.

[kingrobert]

Tito is stating the truth. The UFC is making a killing off there fighters and the payper views and merchandising. You cant tell me they cant afford to pay Tito or Chuck or Randy more money. Its bullshit. Say what you want but those are the fighters who helped make the UFC what it is today.

Randy is right the UFC doesnt give a shit about there fighters anymore. All they care about is how much money they make the UFC. Dana always talks about how boxing killed its self and promoters were the downfall. Dana White is getting about as bad as Don King. If they let this guys like Tito and Randy and AA go then that could slowly help build other organizations like say Elite X maybe.

[POINDEXTER]

Tito's last 4 or 5 fights haven't done much to bolster his image as a legitimate contender. It is too bad, he doesn't seem to be interested in being a fighter anymore. I would have to say that his legacy will be one of mediocrity. Do you suppose he will go to M-1 or the IFL? Or do you think he won't fight again?

[the dazzle]

Originally Posted by scottsec

Tito has always had a problem with the ufc. Randy is fucking himself. The only person that the UFC is really dicking around is AA.

i know what you are saying. at the same time if some of your top contenders are possibly seeking out other offers, then it makes you wonder if the UFC is doing enough to keep them there. Dana does play favorites and that why Tito feels the way he does. For the most part its Dana's way or the Highway. Look at AA, he was promised a title shot if he beat Werdum. Dana didnt like his performance and now he is fighting O'brien. Something doesnt seem right in that picture.

[baba]

Originally Posted by POINDEXTER

Tito's last 4 or 5 fights haven't done much to bolster his image as a legitimate contender. It is too bad, he doesn't seem to be interested in being a fighter anymore. I would have to say that his legacy will be one of mediocrity. Do you suppose he will go to M-1 or the IFL? Or do you think he won't fight again?

I'm guessing he'll have a team in the IFL. They'll take anybody.

[maxp84z]

“UFC is caring so much about the brand itself,” said Ortiz. “They could care less about the fighters. Fighters are a dime a dozen. They’ll keep coming. Dana is really out for himself and the company. He doesn’t give a s--t about the fighters.”

I've been saying this for years... but I dont think Dana doesnt give a shit about the fighters. I think if you say yes to everything Dana says, then you'll have no problem... see: Chuck Liddell.

[Clint]

Originally Posted by kingrobert

Tito is stating the truth. The UFC is making a killing off there fighters and the payper views and merchandising. You cant tell me they cant afford to pay Tito or Chuck or Randy more money. Its bullshit. Say what you want but those are the fighters who helped make the UFC what it is today.

Randy is right the UFC doesnt give a shit about there fighters anymore. All they care about is how much money they make the UFC. Dana always talks about how boxing killed its self and promoters were the downfall. Dana White is getting about as bad as Don King. If they let this guys like Tito and Randy and AA go then that could slowly help build other organizations like say Elite X maybe.

So why did their credit rating drop this year? The UFC takes on the risk, so they deserve a higher portion of the profits. When the UFC was losing millions of dollars per year, these guys weren't chipping in to keep them afloat. These guys were still getting paid and some of them even holding out for more money.

[markzabin]

Originally Posted by kingrobert

Tito is stating the truth. The UFC is making a killing off there fighters and the payper views and merchandising. You cant tell me they cant afford to pay Tito or Chuck or Randy more money. Its bullshit. Say what you want but those are the fighters who helped make the UFC what it is today.

Randy is right the UFC doesnt give a shit about there fighters anymore. All they care about is how much money they make the UFC. Dana always talks about how boxing killed its self and promoters were the downfall. Dana White is getting about as bad as Don King. If they let this guys like Tito and Randy and AA go then that could slowly help build other organizations like say Elite X maybe.

So basically what your saying is pay them whatever they want and everything will be fine? Why should he get a raise for lack luster performances? It would make sense to me to pay him on performance, which he hasn't been doing lately.

[Clint]

Originally Posted by the dazzle

i know what you are saying. at the same time if some of your top contenders are possibly seeking out other offers, then it makes you wonder if the UFC is doing enough to keep them there. Dana does play favorites and that why Tito feels the way he does. For the most part its Dana's way or the Highway. Look at AA, he was promised a title shot if he beat Werdum. Dana didnt like his performance and now he is fighting O'brien. Something doesnt seem right in that picture.

So Dana agreed to pay Tito large sums of money, give him a title shot for beating Ken shamrock, and agreed to a boxing match with him (all 3 of those things in his contract) because he plays favorites? Tito has no reason to demand more money than he is currently making because he has shown no reason to believe he will be moving back to the top.

AA also refused to sign a new contract and stalled out past his title shot.