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09-14-2006, 10:15 AM
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| Conspiracy Theory =D
Just for a thought.....
Forrest Vs. Tito (W)
>The Fight - Tito dominates the first round but he cant do anything for the rest of two rounds and Forrest wins the last two rounds.
> Conspiracy - UFC was already thinking Forrest-Bonnar and if Forrest had won this fight, people would naturally want Forrest-Chuck. UFC needed more fightcards and by keeping Forrest as #3 or #4 contender they could do away with him fighting lesser opponents.
Bonnar Vs. Evans (w)
>The Fight - Evans dominates all three rounds taking down Bonnar at will.
> Conspiracy - Despite the dominance, the decision was not unanimous which leaves me wondering whether the UFC wanted Bonnar to win so the fightcard between Bonnar-Griffin would be a worthy fight. The one judge who gave the decision to Bonnar was too dense in the head to understand that you only give Bonnar the decision if the fight was close.
Bonnar (w) Vs. Jardine
>The fight - I saw the fight but nothing was worth remembering
>Conspiracy - UFC wanted Bonnar to win so Bonnar-Griffin fightcard would look much better than it did.
Now, don't take it too seriously now people
And any more you think were strange that later kinda made sense....
For those who may bitch I am a UFC hater....you only have to look how Pride handled Wand during the Cro Cop fight....There!
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09-14-2006, 10:33 AM
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You might have a point, I mean wheres the marketing if Tito would of lost, Bonnar would of lost and looked like a bum, and if Forrest woulda won there would be no Forrest-Bonnar
How Evans didnt win a UD is just utterly ridiculous
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09-14-2006, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Afro Samurai You might have a point, I mean wheres the marketing if Tito would of lost, Bonnar would of lost and looked like a bum, and if Forrest woulda won there would be no Forrest-Bonnar
How Evans didnt win a UD is just utterly ridiculous |
Its a stretch but that Evans fight really left me wndering though  I just cant imagine a judge being that stupid
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09-14-2006, 10:46 AM
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I don't know if I'd call it a conspiracy, but the judges are definitely BIASED.
The Tito / Griffin was close -but they know who draws in more ratings and who the fans like more (at the time)....TITO
Oh well, makes for great conversation on here!
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09-14-2006, 10:50 AM
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I hate conspiracy theories, simply b/c we'll never know the ruth behind one.
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09-14-2006, 10:50 AM
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Judges are influenced by political pressures.
I won't go as far as to say brown envelopes change hands (although they probably do as we see in most sports), but at the very least there are political motivations to lean one way or the other.
git.
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09-14-2006, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by chungt79 Just for a thought.....
Forrest Vs. Tito (W)
>The Fight - Tito dominates the first round but he cant do anything for the rest of two rounds and Forrest wins the last two rounds.
> Conspiracy - UFC was already thinking Forrest-Bonnar and if Forrest had won this fight, people would naturally want Forrest-Chuck. UFC needed more fightcards and by keeping Forrest as #3 or #4 contender they could do away with him fighting lesser opponents. | Hmm...I see it another way...what better way to hype TUF than to have your TUF 1 winner take on the LHW champion. It is really a Cinderella story. Plus, it says that these guys coming out of the TUF TV show are real contenders and not just reality show winners.
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09-14-2006, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by chungt79 Just for a thought.....
Forrest Vs. Tito (W)
>The Fight - Tito dominates the first round but he cant do anything for the rest of two rounds and Forrest wins the last two rounds.
> Conspiracy - UFC was already thinking Forrest-Bonnar and if Forrest had won this fight, people would naturally want Forrest-Chuck. UFC needed more fightcards and by keeping Forrest as #3 or #4 contender they could do away with him fighting lesser opponents.
Bonnar Vs. Evans (w)
>The Fight - Evans dominates all three rounds taking down Bonnar at will.
> Conspiracy - Despite the dominance, the decision was not unanimous which leaves me wondering whether the UFC wanted Bonnar to win so the fightcard between Bonnar-Griffin would be a worthy fight. The one judge who gave the decision to Bonnar was too dense in the head to understand that you only give Bonnar the decision if the fight was close.
Bonnar (w) Vs. Jardine
>The fight - I saw the fight but nothing was worth remembering
>Conspiracy - UFC wanted Bonnar to win so Bonnar-Griffin fightcard would look much better than it did.
Now, don't take it too seriously now people
And any more you think were strange that later kinda made sense....
For those who may bitch I am a UFC hater....you only have to look how Pride handled Wand during the Cro Cop fight....There! |
Good examples to support your theory. I don't really agree with the first one, I think Tito took that fight in a close decision, but it was worth mentioning. The other two examples were great though. I have NO IDEA how Evans didn't get a UD. That fight was terrible, it was like a grown man tossing a kid around. And the Jardine fight was almost as bad.
Nice post.
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09-14-2006, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Storm442 I don't know if I'd call it a conspiracy, but the judges are definitely BIASED.
The Tito / Griffin was close -but they know who draws in more ratings and who the fans like more (at the time)....TITO
Oh well, makes for great conversation on here!
LOL
. | Did I miss something, or did you just say the fans like Tito more than Griffin? While I do agree that Tito does put more butts in the seats, it's not because he is more liked, he is more of a character, more polarizing. People tend to love or hate him, there generally is not a middle ground. Add to that the fact that he is a very good fighter, and you have an attraction. It is hard to find someone who is just like 'yeah Tito is fighting, so what' people either want to see him crush or get crushed. Where as with Griffin, he's liked, but doesn't have nearly the drawing power. So, I agree with your statement about who draws ratings, just not why. But it is an excellent point to be thought about, does a fighters drawing power have considerable weight in the judges scoring?
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09-14-2006, 12:07 PM
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I've heard a lot said about the Griffen/Ortiz fight, but don't understand how anyone sees Forest winning the fight. Watch it again, Forrest landed maybe 10 clean shots the whole fight, most of his punches didn't even connect. Tito landed more shots standing and got more take down, pretty easy decision. Forrest survived but really did nothing to win the fight. He didn't even rock Tito, and everyone rocks him.
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