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[ArMnHC]

Tito by TKO Rd 2...Ken may survive Rd 1, but won't survive the fight. Let's all look forward to Tito/Chuck II in December YAY! LOL

[kronous76]

Originally Posted by ArMnHC

Tito by TKO Rd 2...Ken may survive Rd 1, but won't survive the fight. Let's all look forward to Tito/Chuck II in December YAY! LOL

I would rather it be Ortiz/Babalu...winner get Forrest

[Afro]

Originally Posted by bZa_305

I'd love to see it go to Tito by decision. I'd love to see a good back and forth fight (especially because I'll be there). But in reality, I think Tito's taking him down early again. Ken just can't compete with him. For anyone who read my Royce Gracie post, same goes for Ken. He was good when the competition was weak.

Tito ref stoppage in round 1.

they were great when the competition was weak?

ARE YOU CALLIN EL GUAPO WEAK?

Originally Posted by AudieMurphy1

you know i dont like tito but ken needs to retire and tito is still a great fighter whether you like him or not

no no no you ment GOOD fighter, not GREAT

[CHUCKtheCHAMP]

Originally Posted by Afro Samurai

they were great when the competition was weak?

ARE YOU CALLIN EL GUAPO WEAK?



no no no you ment GOOD fighter, not GREAT

YEAH BAS IS NOT WEAK BY ANY MEANS

[alahyousious]

Originally Posted by Intellectual

i want Ken to win. we need more drama...its entertaining

Yeah same here, but I think Tito will get the decision.

[gracie jui-jitsu guy]

In his prime Ken couldn't get taken down by a much bigger and better wrestler than Ortiz: Dan Severn. Remember ufc 6? Now Ortiz, he was just state champion. Dan Severn was an olympic wrestler, among the best of the best. And he was a 260lbs beast. And he still couldn't take down Shamrock. So, could Ken, in his prime, be taken down by Ortiz? I think not. Ortiz would either have to beat him on the feet or he may even end up getting taken down by Ken. Now I'm talking about back in the day when Ken had a super-fast shoot (he was known as a
"shootfighter" back then) and would train like an animal for months just for one fight. He'd bring in sparring partners that would simullate his opponents abilities. That's how he beat the, at the time, heavily favored Severn in that fight. Now back then, Ken was an athlete in his prime with great submission skills. I don't, however think the Ken of back then could have submitted Ortiz. Ortiz trains with Dean Lisner and is very submission savy. Ortiz's stand-up is better than Ken's in his prime but that may just be because back then Ken trained mostly on the ground due to most fights just ending up there early. Who knows what kind of stand-up Ken would have had back then had he spent more time training at it. I believe a fight between the Ken back then and the Ortiz of now would end up with Ken trying to take Tito down and possibly succeeding. If he didn't succeed in the initial scramble Ken would just end up pulling Ortiz into his guard and begin working from there. He wouldn't get any submissions but he would eventually sweep Tito. Remember, back then there were no wieght classes so Ken wouldn't have to dehydrate himself a day before the fight. I've always felt that's affected Ken's performance against Tito in their fights, to a degree. Some guys just don't recover fast enough from the hell they put themseves through to make wieght. Some do and some don't. Now there were also no rounds back then so, after Ken's eventual sweep of Tito, Ken would remain on top and just try to ground and pound his way to a decision, which he would. So that's how I see a match between Ken in his prime vs the Tito Ortiz of now ending up. Of course the Ken of today is a far cry from the Ken of yesteryear. He doesn't train like he used to either because his body is too banged-up to withstand it or because he just doesn't have the heart to do what it takes to be the best anymore. I think today he's just living off his name and looking for a big payday, which the Ortiz fights are giving him. I see this fight ending in the first round, Tito doing what he always does, the shoot followed by the ground and pound and the ref letting it go a little longer this time before finally stopping it.

[Afro]

Ortiz's standup is awful, Kens in his prime was much better

[hops69]

that was well put gracie ju jitsu guy... i agree with you

[RKO7645]

Ken is gonna get his ass kicked again...tito will dominate...he will ground and pound and get a 1st round TKO

[Dan0]

Originally Posted by AudieMurphy1

its going to be brutal for ken, taking this fight just shows me that he has definitely taken one to many shots to the noggin

First of all I LOVE your avatar.

Second of all:

I’ve got to the point where I want to Boycott the UFC for putting up poor fights. I’m not paying $40 for PPV to see Tito and Shamrock AGAIN. I’m not paying $40 bucks to watch a UFC event that promotes Danny Abaddi (sp). The UFC can have MUCH better fights, but they refuse to pay the guys what their worth.

These guys are trying to make living in a VERY TOUGH PROFESSION, and should get paid accordingly. If Dana White has six cars and brags about his Ferrari during an interview there’s something wrong with the pay scale in the UFC. Dana tries to defend the fighter’s pay scale, but we all know he’s full of crap. These guys are just trying to make a living and support their families, while Dana drives his Ferrari around and puts silver spoons in his kid’s mouths. Maybe I just don’t get it, but there’s something wrong with this picture.
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