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[Clint]

Originally Posted by maxp84z

WHAT YOU PEOPLE DONT UNDERSTAND IS THAT FEDOR WOULD FIGHT ANYONE IN THE UFC!!!! JUST NOT UNDER UFC CONTRACT. Fedor was given an impossible contract by the UFC. (we all know how those go) I mean, would you sign an 8 fight contract with all types of weird clauses in it to a company you know little about? This is why Fedor signed with M-1. His Manager was like former CEO of M-1 or some shit. So the comfort was there. Dana is acting like a little bitch as usual. First OFF, I would not call fighting MARK HUNT an easy fight. Neither is MATT LINDLAND. Same can be said about Rampage fighting Lindland. HMC is really the only person Fedor should not have been fighting. HMC and Zulu. lol. I'm sure Fedor would fight the top guys if they were available to fight. Hence why when AA leaves, I'm sure we'll see him fight Fedor, and Barnett will be contacted as well.

So how do you explain the fact that his management explicitly complained that they don't get to pick who Fedor fights if he signs in the UFC?

Which was followed by Fedor signing to a company where his managers are the heads, creating a clear conflict of interest. Are you sure they will even be giving Fedor any tough fights, the company that they are now presidents of is relying on Fedor winning. Hell are they going to give any Red Devil guys fights that are tough matchups? The red devil trainer is M-1's matchmaker.

If Dana became Rampage's manager and then set up Bonnar for the next title shot, people would be pissed. If Militech became the new matchmaker and gave all of his guys fights that they should win, people would be pissed. Yet when Fedor's management does it, it's okay?

If people are going to complain about the UFC doing things that are smart business instead of what is good for the fans, then people also need to complain about M1 not signing Barnett for their Chicago show and instead there being rumors of Fedor fighting Rothwell. Likewise if it is okay to wait on putting together the fight fans want to see because they want to get a larger fanbase (ie more money) then it should also be okay for the UFC to put AA on the undercard.

[mcdev88]

Originally Posted by Clint

So how do you explain the fact that his management explicitly complained that they don't get to pick who Fedor fights if he signs in the UFC?

Which was followed by Fedor signing to a company where his managers are the heads, creating a clear conflict of interest. Are you sure they will even be giving Fedor any tough fights, the company that they are now presidents of is relying on Fedor winning. Hell are they going to give any Red Devil guys fights that are tough matchups? The red devil trainer is M-1's matchmaker.

If Dana became Rampage's manager and then set up Bonnar for the next title shot, people would be pissed. If Militech became the new matchmaker and gave all of his guys fights that they should win, people would be pissed. Yet when Fedor's management does it, it's okay?

If people are going to complain about the UFC doing things that are smart business instead of what is good for the fans, then people also need to complain about M1 not signing Barnett for their Chicago show and instead there being rumors of Fedor fighting Rothwell. Likewise if it is okay to wait on putting together the fight fans want to see because they want to get a larger fanbase (ie more money) then it should also be okay for the UFC to put AA on the undercard.

ohh well said mr. clint... well said

Originally Posted by peno

Dana preaches "MMA is a professional sport and these fighter are professional athletes". How the fuck are his words supposed to have any merit when he him self is far from professional?

How far is Fedor from professional? fedor is considered the number 1 hw in the world and for a long time was considered the NUMBER 1 P4P fighter in the world, yet he fights a natural MW and CHEATS (though he would have won anyway), then he takes a fight with a guy who is 1-0 in mma, the organization has to CHANGE THE RULES so it wil benefit fedor, then fedor REJECTS a fight with a fairly decent HW in Pedro Rizzo. Doesnt sound too professional to me

[peno]

Originally Posted by Clint

So how do you explain the fact that his management explicitly complained that they don't get to pick who Fedor fights if he signs in the UFC?

Which was followed by Fedor signing to a company where his managers are the heads, creating a clear conflict of interest. Are you sure they will even be giving Fedor any tough fights, the company that they are now presidents of is relying on Fedor winning. Hell are they going to give any Red Devil guys fights that are tough matchups? The red devil trainer is M-1's matchmaker.

If Dana became Rampage's manager and then set up Bonnar for the next title shot, people would be pissed. If Militech became the new matchmaker and gave all of his guys fights that they should win, people would be pissed. Yet when Fedor's management does it, it's okay?

If people are going to complain about the UFC doing things that are smart business instead of what is good for the fans, then people also need to complain about M1 not signing Barnett for their Chicago show and instead there being rumors of Fedor fighting Rothwell. Likewise if it is okay to wait on putting together the fight fans want to see because they want to get a larger fanbase (ie more money) then it should also be okay for the UFC to put AA on the undercard.

I completely agree with everything you've just said (typed). I think the meat and potatoes of this topic is the fact that Dana would say shit like that. He's the president of a major sports promotion verbally bashing another fighter because he couldn't get his way. It's classless and its unprofessional. Dana should worry more about keeping his current talent happy.

Originally Posted by peno

I completely agree with everything you've just said (typed). I think the meat and potatoes of this topic is the fact that Dana would say shit like that. He's the president of a major sports promotion verbally bashing another fighter because he couldn't get his way. It's classless and its unprofessional. Dana should worry more about keeping his current talent happy.

If I was Dana I'd be doing the same thing. The more he bashes Fedor and talks about what a worthless piece of shit fighter he is ( WE all know this is not the case), that's not going to do ANY good for M-1. When the casual fans hear Dana telling the world what a lousy fighter fedor is (again, WE know better), those fans arent going to want to watch M-1? No one's going to give a fuck about fedor! If Fedor doesnt want his legacy tarnished, he better drop his management team and fast because they are only bringing him down.

[Krazikarl]

I think that Dana is mostly just trying to provoke Fedor into fighting with the UFC. Hes basically calling him out. It wont work if M1 actually works out, but if M1 turns out to be not much (and M1 isnt looking too peachy right now), then Fedor might turn to the UFC just to shut Dana up. Or he might be pissed off at Dana and refuse to have anything to do with the UFC. Hopefully Dana knows what he is doing, but given that hes been fairly successful in the past, I think that he might.

WHAT YOU PEOPLE DONT UNDERSTAND IS THAT FEDOR WOULD FIGHT ANYONE IN THE UFC!!!! JUST NOT UNDER UFC CONTRACT. Fedor was given an impossible contract by the UFC. (we all know how those go) I mean, would you sign an 8 fight contract with all types of weird clauses in it to a company you know little about? This is why Fedor signed with M-1. His Manager was like former CEO of M-1 or some shit. So the comfort was there. Dana is acting like a little bitch as usual. First OFF, I would not call fighting MARK HUNT an easy fight. Neither is MATT LINDLAND. Same can be said about Rampage fighting Lindland. HMC is really the only person Fedor should not have been fighting. HMC and Zulu. lol. I'm sure Fedor would fight the top guys if they were available to fight. Hence why when AA leaves, I'm sure we'll see him fight Fedor, and Barnett will be contacted as well.

In addition to what Clint said (which I agree with), the contract Fedor was given by the UFC wasnt impossible. It was by all accounts a standard contrat. And I also mean that it conforms with contracts in other sports (you think that the NFL team would let a star recruit fight in a combat Sambo tournament?). The clause that you dont get to pick your opponent always isnt weird. The clause that you cant do things which have high risks of getting you injured isnt weird. These arent strange things.

Barnett was available to fight, but Fedor fought HMC. Matt Lindland is two weight classes lower. Dont be silly with him. Mark Hunt is a kickboxer who has lost to everybody who is reasonably good and has a ground game in MMA. Fedor was in the organization with the most HW talent by far and then in basically his own personal organization organization that does nothing but support him, yet he hasnt fought a top HW since mid 2005 (and he wont be fighting one next despite some being available). How do you not fight a top HW in 2.5 years when they all want to fight you?

[Steel]

Originally Posted by maxp84z

WHAT YOU PEOPLE DONT UNDERSTAND IS THAT FEDOR WOULD FIGHT ANYONE IN THE UFC!!!! JUST NOT UNDER UFC CONTRACT. Fedor was given an impossible contract by the UFC. (we all know how those go) I mean, would you sign an 8 fight contract with all types of weird clauses in it to a company you know little about? This is why Fedor signed with M-1. His Manager was like former CEO of M-1 or some shit. So the comfort was there. Dana is acting like a little bitch as usual. First OFF, I would not call fighting MARK HUNT an easy fight. Neither is MATT LINDLAND. Same can be said about Rampage fighting Lindland. HMC is really the only person Fedor should not have been fighting. HMC and Zulu. lol. I'm sure Fedor would fight the top guys if they were available to fight. Hence why when AA leaves, I'm sure we'll see him fight Fedor, and Barnett will be contacted as well.

Have you ever signed a UFC contract? Have you ever seen an actual UFC contract? I know I haven't.

I don't agree with Dana's comments on Fedor, but how can any of us criticize on the "impossible Fedor contract" when we are not privy to it or the specifics of it either way?

I get tired of reading how "Randy got screwed", Fedor got screwed"and Dana got screwed" when the reality of the matter is that we as fans do NOT have specific knowledge of the contractual obligations, agreements and expectations negotiated between these parties.

[jcmichaels42]

Originally Posted by Krazikarl

In addition to what Clint said (which I agree with), the contract Fedor was given by the UFC wasnt impossible. It was by all accounts a standard contrat. And I also mean that it conforms with contracts in other sports (you think that the NFL team would let a star recruit fight in a combat Sambo tournament?). The clause that you dont get to pick your opponent always isnt weird. The clause that you cant do things which have high risks of getting you injured isnt weird. These arent strange things.

Barnett was available to fight, but Fedor fought HMC. Matt Lindland is two weight classes lower. Dont be silly with him. Mark Hunt is a kickboxer who has lost to everybody who is reasonably good and has a ground game in MMA. Fedor was in the organization with the most HW talent by far and then in basically his own personal organization organization that does nothing but support him, yet he hasnt fought a top HW since mid 2005 (and he wont be fighting one next despite some being available). How do you not fight a top HW in 2.5 years when they all want to fight you?

Can't agree more. Not to mention if the UFC contracts are so terrible and one-sided then why does anyone sign them? Why did Rampage, Shogun, Big Nog, Herring and so many others sign with the UFC if their contracts are so terrible and bad.

I'm inclined to believe that Fedor's management was trying to strong arm the UFC into getting their way and Dana basically told them to go pound sand.

[BigBanda]

Originally Posted by Clint

So how do you explain the fact that his management explicitly complained that they don't get to pick who Fedor fights if he signs in the UFC?

Which was followed by Fedor signing to a company where his managers are the heads, creating a clear conflict of interest. Are you sure they will even be giving Fedor any tough fights, the company that they are now presidents of is relying on Fedor winning. Hell are they going to give any Red Devil guys fights that are tough matchups? The red devil trainer is M-1's matchmaker.

If Dana became Rampage's manager and then set up Bonnar for the next title shot, people would be pissed. If Militech became the new matchmaker and gave all of his guys fights that they should win, people would be pissed. Yet when Fedor's management does it, it's okay?

If people are going to complain about the UFC doing things that are smart business instead of what is good for the fans, then people also need to complain about M1 not signing Barnett for their Chicago show and instead there being rumors of Fedor fighting Rothwell. Likewise if it is okay to wait on putting together the fight fans want to see because they want to get a larger fanbase (ie more money) then it should also be okay for the UFC to put AA on the undercard.

And once again, Clint nails it!.. well said.

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by TriangleChoke

If I was Dana I'd be doing the same thing. The more he bashes Fedor and talks about what a worthless piece of shit fighter he is ( WE all know this is not the case), that's not going to do ANY good for M-1. When the casual fans hear Dana telling the world what a lousy fighter fedor is (again, WE know better), those fans arent going to want to watch M-1? No one's going to give a fuck about fedor! If Fedor doesnt want his legacy tarnished, he better drop his management team and fast because they are only bringing him down.

My issue is that we don't "ALL" know better. All clueless and fucked up ranking bullshit aside, there are people on this site who actually think GSP would outstrike Fedor. And while that boggles my imagination, it's a direct result of the propaganda Dana spews.

What Dana is saying is actually bullshit. If he wants to say "I'd have a better opinion of him if he fought a top quality fighter." thats one thing. But to preach the Word According to Zuffa just dupes idiots into thinking that Fedor has no skill. Which might seem like good business sense, if your business sense has no ethical standards, and lying is routinely accepted as the norm.

Remember, Fedor is the guy Dana was ready to jump through million-dollar hoops for, if he'd signed an exclusive contract. Would he still be worthless and a joke, or is this just sour grapes at the microphone?

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