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Originally Posted by rivethead

AT HW, Randy is actually 12 and 6, I think. That just makes it worse.

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Not making an excuse for Randy, cause I think he is a pol smoker for not finishing out his contract like a man.... But he has only lost to top talent....

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Originally Posted by DarkMage

I understand that Randy signed a contract and must honor it, but Zuffa seems to think they don't have to honor their contracts. I mean look how they treat their fighters when they have one fight left. They wait out the last fight as long as possible to try and force the fighters into signing on for more fights. And then there's all the bs with AA. The fighters shouldn't sign unless there's a clause that says Zuffa can't withhold that last fight as long as they wish.

Doesn't matter how they treat their fighters with only one fight left... I am sure their is noting in any fighters contract that says they have to always be main event, or can't be on the under card if their fights have been sucking, etc.... As long as they give them X amount of fights in X amount of time, per the contract... Zuffa is in the good.

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Originally Posted by kc56

here is something I am kind of shocked that nobody has wanted to talk about. Randy's contract was for 4 fights. It was stipulated that these fights were to occur in a set amount of time. There is language in there to the effect of if he cannot manage to pull his 4 fights off in that certain amount of time, he will be given additional time to fulfill his obligation. He was not contracted to be merely employed for a certain amount of time with the UFC. I don't see where Randy doesn't get that.

Also, for people saying he should "pay back the money" or "just buy out his contract"? Yeah, sorry, it doesn't work like that either. That would be the equivalent of offering to pay for something after you have just been caught shoplifting it. There are some definite teeth to that contract and not honoring it.

Wadokai, you can make all of the excuses you want for Randy's losses that you want, but it doesn't change the fact that he has been KO'd and submitted plenty of times.

As for Randy's amazing run of titles? It was positioning by the UFC. Not saying Randy doesn't deserve any credit, but did you know that since December 21 1997 Randy has only had ONE fight in the UFC that wasn't for a title (it was Van Arsedale to build up confidence in between being KO'd by Chuck back to back) . How is that for respect?

The guy has had ONE fight in the last 10 and half years that wasn't for a title shot, and he wants to complain that he wasn't respected.

Whatever Randy. Whatever....

Good eye on the title shot fact. I never realized that but it is true. Anyone who gets title shots over and over again will win some titles.

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Originally Posted by WadoKai

All anyone, outside of Randy Couture, his lawyers, Zuffa, and their lawyers know is that Randy feels he has the option to wait out his contract. Zuffa thinks he doesn't. If anyone's opinion on him has changed because they've sided with Zuffa and simply believe their opinion on his contractual obligations are correct, is pretty much hopping on their side without the facts. That's why there's a lawsuit. To settle the facts on his contract.

If anyone's hating on Randy now because they feel he has lots to prove and somehow he's not doing the "honourable thing" by waiting out his contract, then I'd ask for references to all the instances where Zuffa waited out fighter contracts and your similiar contempt for Zuffa on the same issue.

I suppose if people are just hating on Randy because they think he should be fighting for their entertainment, well then that's your opinion and you're entitled to it, and I wouldn't consider debating it.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see Randy fight twice more in the UFC, a match between him and Nogueira would be an amazing war. But because he's choosing not to, on what he believes (and has yet to be disproven) are a contractual agreement, or loophole, or whatever; I'm not going to hate him, disrespect him or take anything away from his accomplishments.

You can say his record isn't that amazing, but he's held belts in 2 divisions, what, 5 times? (I'll wait for someone to fill me in about how Randy only ever won against cans).

Lastly, I'm definitely not naming names, or even implying that it's a majority, but some people around here sound like they're speaking with contempt for Couture for no reason outside of ignorance, bandwagon-mentality, selfishness or because there's just tonnes of anti-couture hype in the media and on boards.

Hopefully this doesn't get me any negative rep, it's just that my principles towards why I like someone, don't waver before the final word comes in. Anything we've heard is hearsay.




One could also argue that he could've beat Liddell twice more if his head was in the game and he wasn't going through a tough divorce and a hard personal life.

His record is what it is, his accomplishments are what they are. He's 45 years old, you think he's going to keep fighting til he's 50? Just so he can say he fought everyone, and won or lost, so you can have updated recordbooks for comparison and ranking him in the alltime greats?

The guy has nothing to prove to anyone, but himself. Fedor made Nog his personal punching bag for about an hour all told. I RESPECT Randy for wanting to fight the guy who did that.

Well dude, RH and KC pretty much made most of the points I was going to make but I will add my 2 cents. One thing that has shocked me about the situation, which I say shocked because I was a HUGE Randy fan, is his total lack of respect for Big Nog who has been playing 2nd fiddle to Fedor for years now. For him to say there is no fight left for him except Fedor shows a grossly overinflated sense of self and an arrogance I never would've thought we would see from Randy. It was quite unbecoming of him to say that when the UFC has Big Nog waiting in the wings to fight for the title.

Not only that, but everything he claimed about being screwed by the UFC was shown to be lies when they defended their position with a COPY OF THE CONTRACT RANDY SIGNED. Did you miss that a few months ago or something? They gave Randy a very rich contract when he was coming off of back to back losses and a year long retirement, I can just see how that screams disrespect right?

The jury might still be out for you but I hate to say it, Randy is full of shit and has lied and disrespected everyone including his fans, and I guess you haven't figured that out yet since you are still waiting on "the final word to come in".