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[Afro]

Originally Posted by Mastiff_owner

Gotta agree with you on this one. He has heart but no skill outside of wrestling. Hell he could go to ANY team and they would improve his game tenfold.

I disagree that he has more potential than Bisping. And right now bisping destroys him. Stand up is cleaner and he is a Black Belt in JJ so on the ground he can definitely hold his own. Bisping is the future of the UFC lhw. He is light years ahead of Rashad and he will only continue to improve. You can't teach KO power and Bisping has it. Rashad doesn't.

your right KO power isnt taught, you develope it and thats not hard to do.. shadowbox with weight in your hands.

Rashad has power, he isnt better standing but Bonnar has a black belt in JJ too and couldnt sub Evans, Evans would LnP out a boring win over Bisping

Potential-wise im still goin with Evans as good as Bisping is, Evans he has a complete game.

[Mastiff_owner]

I hope you mean Evans will get a complete game. I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one. lol

[shenku68]

Evans does what works for him which is wrestle and LnP. His striking is ok but not devastating. Keith Jardine went down a weight class and could give Evans a run for his money. Agree with you all. Evans has potential but he does need to work on all aspects of MMA. Do you guys remember the young Matt Hughes? He was the same way, but now Hughes has broaden his game so much that he is extremely hard to beat. Does Evans need to change camps? No. But he should visit some other some other camps and get his game rounded. Let's look at Chuck for a second. I love the guy but what does he do different from fight to fight. Nothing. MMA is not about KOs though most of us want to see them. It's about displaying whatever skill you have and winning. Rashad does need to step up his game because of the level of competition he will eventually face, but he feels he has a winning formula and will probably continue to use that formula until he is forced to change. Very few people has forced Chuck to change his formula. Think about it gentlemen. A fighter goal is to win the fight. Fighters who normally go away from the gameplan slip up and get caught. Babalu knew of Chuck's power and still rushed in there and got caught. Wand did the same against Cro-Cop. Evans would not rush in against Chuck, he would buy his time and wait for a takedown. Hard to do against Chuck but not impossible (ask Randy Conture). Evans would have to try to keep him down which is extremely hard. This is where striking and submissions would be an asset for Evans. I do give Evans credit for his submission defense but he does have to step it up. I hope Lambert goes in there and strike with Evans and force him to fight stronger, then maybe we might see that potential we all think Evans has.

[ArMnHC]

no let's hope Lambert goes in there and defeats Rashad...that is what Rashad needs to better himself...a loss! how the hell can any fighter be happy with themselves when all their fights go to decisions? I hope Lambert TKOs or submits Rashad because then that will be Rashad's fire he needs lit under his ass to get his act together. he has potential, ill give him that, but to say he has potential to be one of the best right now is just plain ignant!!!

and anyone who thinks he'd beat Bisping must have brown pupils from all the crap in their brain . Bisping would demolish Rashad. Pick him apart on the feet and then when Rashad would get frustrated and try to take him down, he'd get submitted. Out wrestling and LnP is not sub defense.

[prophet665]

Originally Posted by shenku68

Evans does what works for him which is wrestle and LnP. His striking is ok but not devastating. Keith Jardine went down a weight class and could give Evans a run for his money. Agree with you all. Evans has potential but he does need to work on all aspects of MMA. Do you guys remember the young Matt Hughes? He was the same way, but now Hughes has broaden his game so much that he is extremely hard to beat. Does Evans need to change camps? No. But he should visit some other some other camps and get his game rounded. Let's look at Chuck for a second. I love the guy but what does he do different from fight to fight. Nothing. MMA is not about KOs though most of us want to see them. It's about displaying whatever skill you have and winning. Rashad does need to step up his game because of the level of competition he will eventually face, but he feels he has a winning formula and will probably continue to use that formula until he is forced to change. Very few people has forced Chuck to change his formula. Think about it gentlemen. A fighter goal is to win the fight. Fighters who normally go away from the gameplan slip up and get caught. Babalu knew of Chuck's power and still rushed in there and got caught. Wand did the same against Cro-Cop. Evans would not rush in against Chuck, he would buy his time and wait for a takedown. Hard to do against Chuck but not impossible (ask Randy Conture). Evans would have to try to keep him down which is extremely hard. This is where striking and submissions would be an asset for Evans. I do give Evans credit for his submission defense but he does have to step it up. I hope Lambert goes in there and strike with Evans and force him to fight stronger, then maybe we might see that potential we all think Evans has.

I have to say, shenku68, that I wanted to read your post, but I am not going to make my eyes fall out trying to do it. Just use a few paragraphs, and you would be surprised at how many people would take your posts more seriously.

Now...as Afro knows from previosu discussions we have had, I am not an Evans fan. Afro seems to think he has a mountain of potential, and I just don't see it. All well and good...two differences of opinion. No hard feelings...

What I think the point of the origianl post was is that he shouldn't have a highlight reel. Laying on top of another guy for 15 minutes or show casing his excellent sprawl is not a highlight reel.

I think people are really down on Evans worse than they would be otherwise is because he is being crammed down our throats. He may have potential in the future, but currently he is boring as paint drying to watch. Yes he has technical skills, yes is the a good wrestler, and yes he may be exciting some day...but come on...if I wanted to watch a technical clinic on wrestling I would watch the NCAA.

If Dana White had let this guy develop a little more, get some decent striking, maybe a submission move or two under his belt, and then but him in front of us as much as they do, people wouldn't be jumping down his throat like they do. Unfortunately, I feel like they are treating him like the second coming...and I am sceptical to say the least.

[Hypergit]

Originally Posted by Afro Samurai

your right KO power isnt taught, you develope it and thats not hard to do.. shadowbox with weight in your hands.

Oh, is that all you need to do?!?

Darn it, I've been wasting my time with bands (both resistance and overspeed training), strength training, plyometrics, complex training, accuracy/technique work, etc, etc. :banghead:

git.

[Afro]

Originally Posted by Hypergit

Oh, is that all you need to do?!?

Darn it, I've been wasting my time with bands (both resistance and overspeed training), strength training, plyometrics, complex training, accuracy/technique work, etc, etc. :banghead:

git.

I didnt say thats all you need to do, but it works


and did anyone actually watch the highlight video? lol it wasnt just him LnPing, he was striking and doing it well, and he was takin people down they didnt show him laying on top of people

reason I say he has a lot of potential is, the guy can strike he has good boxing skills, and his wrestling is phenominal, hes a great athlete with very good takedowns, all his fights did NOT end in decision he has 3 stops out of his 8 wins.. yes he does have 5 other fights by decision, but he stood and traded blows with Hoger AND Imes, Bonnar had to be taken down he wasnt gonna beat Bonnar standing it was good strategy but yes it was boring.. The Imes fight was NOT boring.

[ccl2087]

If Rashad can develop any subs or a good GnP he will be a force in the LHW division, I personally think he should switch camps and train with Tito and Team Punishment because he reminds me of a young Tito Ortiz. He has the wrestling ability, now he needs someone to help him develop GnP, and Tito Ortiz is one of the best in the world at GnP.

[Afro]

Originally Posted by ccl2087

If Rashad can develop any subs or a good GnP he will be a force in the LHW division, I personally think he should switch camps and train with Tito and Team Punishment because he reminds me of a young Tito Ortiz. He has the wrestling ability, now he needs someone to help him develop GnP, and Tito Ortiz is one of the best in the world at GnP.

Tito is a great coach too but if I were Rashad i'd go to Team Quest or train with Barnett and Rampage, there training Danny Addabi for criss sakes! im sure they would love a real competitor like Evans especially since hes a good wrestler like them. But ya he would be a force if he developes his game, he has the foundation of a complete game he just needs to fill in the voids.

[ccl2087]

Originally Posted by Afro Samurai

Tito is a great coach too but if I were Rashad i'd go to Team Quest or train with Barnett and Rampage, there training Danny Addabi for criss sakes! im sure they would love a real competitor like Evans especially since hes a good wrestler like them. But ya he would be a force if he developes his game, he has the foundation of a complete game he just needs to fill in the voids.

I agee with that. Team Quest would be good for Rashad too, I think he just needs to go to a team that understands his wrestling talent, and would be able to help him use it to his advantage (like Team Quest or Team Punishment).