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[peno]

Originally Posted by AJL416AZ

Bruce Lee was an actor who weighed 135 lb soaking wet.

Rickson would submit him so fast it would make your head spin. its easy to take down anyone who wants to really fight, he'll engage standing too close and get shot in on, and taken down. and even if he sprawls, you can pull guard, and Rickson Gracie would not fail to submit Bruce.
ive seen a ton of agile guys with no idea about grappling or with only a limited amount of training in wrestling get tooled. wouldnt surprise me to see it again.

he was never a real fighter, not in the sense of an MMA fighter, or anyone who fought vale tudo or with highly limited rules like modern MMA

Rickson would shoot on Bruce and grab air. I'd be willing to bet Bruce Lee in MMA would be a quicker, lighter, more agile version of Machita. He'd dance around Rickson and pick him apart with strikes. I own the JKD book by Bruce and theres plenty of submissions in that book. It's not like he wouldn't feel an arm bar coming.

Rickson could definately sub but NO WAY would he just grab Bruce Lee and sub him 60 seconds. No fucking way. If they could magically fight right now in their prime, I'd take Bruce every time.

[AJL416AZ]

its harder then it seems. a lot of pro fighters tried to just stay away, guys that were the same size as Rickson, with pro fighting experience, even though most of them were hardcore cans.

id be willing to bet that if Bruce had been in his prime he would have gotten beaten up badly by real fighters, because he was a great philosopher but he was not an MMA fighter.
even if he was a trained martial artist, 99% of any sort of traditional martial artist, or anyone that does not include full contact or hard sparring in a majority of their training, is not going to have any chance against a legit, skilled MMA fighter or a BJJ practitioner on the level of Rickson Gracie either.

[Jon-E-Law]

Originally Posted by AJL416AZ

its harder then it seems. a lot of pro fighters tried to just stay away, guys that were the same size as Rickson, with pro fighting experience, even though most of them were hardcore cans.

id be willing to bet that if Bruce had been in his prime he would have gotten beaten up badly by real fighters, because he was a great philosopher but he was not an MMA fighter.
even if he was a trained martial artist, 99% of any sort of traditional martial artist, or anyone that does not include full contact or hard sparring in a majority of their training, is not going to have any chance against a legit, skilled MMA fighter or a BJJ practitioner on the level of Rickson Gracie either.

This is the most rediculous shit I have ever heard. You should do a little more research before you make such a blanket statement like these.
He trained
Seattle
James DeMile
Sue Ann Kay
Linda Emery
Oakland
Daniel Inosanto
James Yimm Lee
Howard Williams
Los Angeles
Daniel Inosanto - Asst Instructor
Ted Wong
Jerry Poteet
Daniel Lee - schools first student in 1967
Herb Jackson
Chuck Hill
Gary Fineman
Lee Hong
Melvin Kwan
Leo Duffin
Larry Hartsell
Bill Bremer
Mike Cochrane
Robert Lujan
Peter Rosas
Al Wolin
Celebrity Students
Lew Alcindor "Kareem Abdul Jabar"
Steve McQueen
James Coburn
Roman Polanski
Stirling Silliphant
Tom Tannenbaum
Joe Hyams
Private Students
Mike Stone
Chuck Norris
Joe Lewis
Other persons he worked with
Wally Jay
Jhoon Rhee
Bob Wall
Bruce's School/Training Locations
Seattle, Washington: Backyards, Garage, Chinatown Basement location, Ruby Chow's parking lot, University of Washington , Wayne Chan's Pharmacy
Jun Fan Gung Fu Institute - 4750 University Way, Seattle, WA (Taky)
Jun Fan Gung Fu Institute - 628 College Street, Los Angeles, CA (Insonato)





And just for the record bjj is useless in the street fucking useless. I would love for a bjj guy to try to sub someone on the street. The only thing it should be used for is getting a better position to stand back up. Bruce lee would and has fucked up anyone who challenged him. His speed and agility was unreal.

[Punk Ass]

Originally Posted by nightridaz2

bruce was actually 173 at 5'6-5'7

prove it.

[Brutus]

Originally Posted by Jon-E-Law

This is the most rediculous shit I have ever heard. You should do a little more research before you make such a blanket statement like these.
He trained
Seattle
James DeMile
Sue Ann Kay
Linda Emery
Oakland
Daniel Inosanto
James Yimm Lee
Howard Williams
Los Angeles
Daniel Inosanto - Asst Instructor
Ted Wong
Jerry Poteet
Daniel Lee - schools first student in 1967
Herb Jackson
Chuck Hill
Gary Fineman
Lee Hong
Melvin Kwan
Leo Duffin
Larry Hartsell
Bill Bremer
Mike Cochrane
Robert Lujan
Peter Rosas
Al Wolin
Celebrity Students
Lew Alcindor "Kareem Abdul Jabar"
Steve McQueen
James Coburn
Roman Polanski
Stirling Silliphant
Tom Tannenbaum
Joe Hyams
Private Students
Mike Stone
Chuck Norris
Joe Lewis
Other persons he worked with
Wally Jay
Jhoon Rhee
Bob Wall
Bruce's School/Training Locations
Seattle, Washington: Backyards, Garage, Chinatown Basement location, Ruby Chow's parking lot, University of Washington , Wayne Chan's Pharmacy
Jun Fan Gung Fu Institute - 4750 University Way, Seattle, WA (Taky)
Jun Fan Gung Fu Institute - 628 College Street, Los Angeles, CA (Insonato)





And just for the record bjj is useless in the street fucking useless. I would love for a bjj guy to try to sub someone on the street. The only thing it should be used for is getting a better position to stand back up. Bruce lee would and has fucked up anyone who challenged him. His speed and agility was unreal.

Seeing as all the street fight i've ever been in included at least 4 guys v me i would tend to agree w/ your assesment on jj in street battles. If i threw someone in a triangle, armbar, or a heel hook for that matter, i would get kicked in my face. i know cause its happened to me. JJ is not good in a street fight that i'm in and i rather rely on my striking for that period of time.

[mattyc]

Can anyone recall how much Bruce Lee could lift? I remember watching a Bruce Lee documentary, and brother was RIPPED.

I don't think it's possible to speculate with any accuracy the result between a match of Rickson and Bruce. If Bruce were around today, I'm sure JKD would be taught differently- according to the philosophy, it has to. So, really, all we have to go on is Rickson's superior bjj and both men's size.

[Brutus]

Originally Posted by mattyc

Can anyone recall how much Bruce Lee could lift? I remember watching a Bruce Lee documentary, and brother was RIPPED.

I don't think it's possible to speculate with any accuracy the result between a match of Rickson and Bruce. If Bruce were around today, I'm sure JKD would be taught differently- according to the philosophy, it has to. So, really, all we have to go on is Rickson's superior bjj and both men's size.

If Bruce was still around today JKD would stilll be taught the same way. He instilled great skill in all of the top instructors that are teaching today. They all deeply respect the vision that Bruce Lee had and continue to teach that to this day.

[Jon-E-Law]

Originally Posted by mattyc

Can anyone recall how much Bruce Lee could lift? I remember watching a Bruce Lee documentary, and brother was RIPPED.

I don't think it's possible to speculate with any accuracy the result between a match of Rickson and Bruce. If Bruce were around today, I'm sure JKD would be taught differently- according to the philosophy, it has to. So, really, all we have to go on is Rickson's superior bjj and both men's size.

In a street fight no bjj guy could stand a chance what are you going to when im in a triangle and im poking you in the eyes with one hand and twisting your testicals with the other. I have had this argument a million times on here and to this day no one can deny the fact that no matter the position there are no rules in a street fight and some part of your body will be availible to grab, poke, pull, twist, or whatever to equalize the situation.
There is no bjj guy in the world that would win in a fight against bruce lee.


Ok so now lets go to the ring/octagon they would have to meet at a weight for the fight to happen.So the whole bruce lee is small thing is not a factor anymore. So now what?

[mattyc]

Originally Posted by Hunchbacked Lemur

If Bruce was still around today JKD would stilll be taught the same way. He instilled great skill in all of the top instructors that are teaching today. They all deeply respect the vision that Bruce Lee had and continue to teach that to this day.

See, that I don't understand. According to Bruce's philosophy, it would be contradictory for Bruce to have a regimented and rigid fighting system that is founded upon taking the best aspects of each TMA. If Rickson corresponded with Bruce and alerted him that this move can't work because of this, than Bruce would have to concede an addition to JKD. I always thought that, for the time at which JKD was designed, it was the best vision of MMA. Now that it's years later, and MMA has evolved so much, that JKD would evolve with it.

I don't know how people got on topic of Rickson and Bruce in a street fight. If that were the case, both men's eyes would be gouged out, their crotches bruised, and their throats collapsed.

[Brutus]

Originally Posted by mattyc

See, that I don't understand. According to Bruce's philosophy, it would be contradictory for Bruce to have a regimented and rigid fighting system that is founded upon taking the best aspects of each TMA. If Rickson corresponded with Bruce and alerted him that this move can't work because of this, than Bruce would have to concede an addition to JKD. I always thought that, for the time at which JKD was designed, it was the best vision of MMA. Now that it's years later, and MMA has evolved so much, that JKD would evolve with it.

I don't know how people got on topic of Rickson and Bruce in a street fight. If that were the case, both men's eyes would be gouged out, their crotches bruised, and their throats collapsed.

This is my fault, Bruce took all aspects that were beneficial to fighting from every martial art that involved striking. He like to include Karate, Hopkido, Western boxing, Tae Kwon Do, etc, etc etc. He did not really focus on ground game but believe it or not, Bruce Lee was excellent on the ground. This is coming from a buddy of mine who was trained by Bruce Lee's no 1 student.