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[b0sH]

UFC dominated the US.. PRIDE dominated everywhere else. UFC is JUST starting to do shows in Europe.. how did they dominate the US/Europe market.. where did you get that from?

And, they aren't dominating the European market now either for that matter, Dana has gone on record to state that they have lost money in Europe, not gained (or something along those lines).

Well dude im in Europe (London) and the UFC dominates here probably more so than it does in the US. They have a pretty major TV deal with Bravo here where TuF and Inside the UFC were broadcast in pretty prime time slots, they also showed all PPVs for FREE the night after they happened.

They also did Brawl in the Hall event where Mir got beaten.

Pride had.......................erm nothing. Even trying to find DVD distributors was really hard for a while. K1 was shown sometimes on one of the more obscure Euro Sport Channels but not regularly.

They lose money because thats what companies do when breaking new territories. Doesn't matter who you are or what you do. Promotion has to be double, equipment, economies of scale, blah blah blah

[STruC1x]

It's very simple:

MMA for the next 5 years will consist of A BUNCH of smaller organizations, such as Dream, Exc, M1... Mr. UFC...

Based on HDNET comments almost weekly, they keep talking about co-promotions...

SO..... (simple part...lol)

"Bunch" of organizations will develop in all countries, and those organizations will bring their TOP fighters in ALL divisions to compete in a WORLD CAGE...
Example: M-1 will bring Fedor vs UFC will bring Nog (example..ufc wont have to do jack for another 3-5 years)
THAT'S where the battles rages... WORLD CAGE... wouldn't that be nice?

Well you might think its Struc BS?

Then what the hell are the billionaires on HDNET talking about... CO-PROMOTION? You think in 5-10 years UFC will the be only organization holding top fighters?

What if Dream finds some Kung-Fu dude that never watches TV and get's him to ROCK THE WORLD? LOL COULD IT BE POSSIBLE?

I SAY YES!

"read behind the lines, and the future is there"

These lines that are spoken by billionaires are not out of their ass... they pay $100,000's dollars to bunch of dudes to THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE... and HDNET is setting the flow...

HDNET will be the ESPN of MMA in 5-10 years...

MARK MY WORDS!

[CESSPOOL]

Randy is apparently gone as well. the others and randy have big followings. people will watch them fight wherever they are. That will lead to the people finding new fighters they like. Plus it only takes a few big names to start a trend. They leave, others will follow.

It's time for UFC to start paying the guys more than the others can afford. I think UFC is in the start of a downward spiral all thanks to Dana....

[LoonY ToonZ]

i said a long time ago its only a matter of time before mma's landscape turns to be similar to boxing. Guys like Fedor and COuture who want to make the money they deserve will go to free lance promoters and theyll make their big bucks through them, not through organizations and more fighters will jump 0n the bandwaggon.

[baba]

Originally Posted by CESSPOOL

I think UFC is in the start of a downward spiral all thanks to Dana....

Thinking isn't really your forte` is it?

[Ramma]

Originally Posted by Krazikarl

Nonsense. If you are the big boy on the block, you are dominant no matter what kind of money you are making:

They have the biggest brand, but they are not the big boy.. no one really is..

By your logic, if I start selling underwear with a hole in the butt for gay lovers and put tons of money in it.. but I am losing money on the product .. and there are 2 other guys who make it, and do well for their respective areas, and actually make a profit... I am dominating the market.... does that really make sense? That is nonsense.

That isn't to say that they won't be the biggest someday.. but dominating the market is an overstatement.

The US economy is the dominant world economy, but its losing money any way you look at it (either the trade debts or the national deficit). But according to you the US isnt. Whatever.

According to me? Did I even address the US economy?

Tha market for US fighters isnt huge in Japan for the same reason the market for Japanese fighters isnt that great here. Timmy just doesnt have much market value in Japan, so him and people like him cant realistically sign a competitive deal with DREAM because it wouldnt make business sense of DREAM to do so.

US fighters are a lot bigger deal in Japan than Japanese fighters are in the US. A casual Japanese MMA fan can probably tell you who Matt Serra/Hughes, Roger Huerta, etc are... The casual US MMA fan has never even heard of Sakuraba.

They would sign Chuck Liddell, the guy who just beat Wanderlei, Randy Couture, multiple time/multiple division champion, GSP, maybe the greatest WW ever, etc.. in a heart beat.

To totally counter your point, I'm pretty sure Mirko Cro Cop, a guy with no name in the US/no market value, was signed for 250-350k a fight.. by the UFC... why wouldn't they do the same in Japan, where UFC fighters sell a little better?

PRIDE was bigger, badder, had more recognition, and had the nice contracts, but it couldnt compete with the UFC long term. Why will the smaller, lesser known DREAM do much better?

PRIDE was bigger and badder.. DREAM has been around for what? A week?


Bottom line, I am talking about the UFC putting THEMSELVES in a bad situation.. not DREAM taking out the UFC. I never said DREAM will take out the UFC with superior shows, superior marketing, etc.. I said, the UFC better be on guard because they can't start losing fighters.

Whether they go to DREAM, Elite XC, whatever... it doesn't matter.. they can't start losing fighters that bring in the $$$. They are going to let Tito walk, whether he is top ten now or not is irrelevant. The guy brings in a lot of money.

Originally Posted by smoogy

lol. If by dominating you mean "losing money hand over fist", yeah, UFC is really dominating. K-1 did an Amsterdam show last spring with Yvel and Overeem in MMA feature bouts and sold out a 25,000 seat arena. And Cage Rage, while going with a slightly smaller venue than the UFC typically uses in the UK, actually does good, self-sustaining business there and has a strong following.

This is exactly my point.. they aren't "dominating" anything.

Originally Posted by Tick

What names? The only one I heard was CroCop, and to be honest... He really isnt a UFC name... Those who know crocop from UFC will not be looking to watch him fight in another org.

I haven't been keeping an eye on the names DREAM aquired, so please enlighten me with a few big names from the UFC.

I didn't say they acquired any of those names yet (sorry if I mislead you).. if they get guys like AA and Tito... that is what I said.

I mean, they do have names, but no one that matters in the US right now.

[kingrobert]

The power of MMA could slowly begin changing. If AA, Tito, Randy, Tim Sylvia, and possible some other big names we dont know about leave the company it could cause some problems. If all these other small MMA organizations a small and lack luster individually but if they all cross promote it could mean huge pay per view buys and the swaying of some of the power in the Mixed Martial Arts World

[TheBonger]

the UFC is not in trouble anybody that thinks they are need too check the PPV Buys. No one can even come close, Dana White will have too fuck up ALOT in the next couple of years to knock the UFC off of its perch.

[foundstarr]

It's kind of funny to see how many people are up in arms about the UFC. Yet you guys watch every single one of their PPV's. Then we debate them to death. UFC has the largest collaction of talent out there. If three name fighters leave, they've got 20 more to collect off of. Look at UFN 13 a free card stacked to the rafters.

Also noone has concrete physical proof of UFC's current financial situation, they are backed by station casinos. No matter what this is a passion project for the Ferttitas, so when you make money hand over fist. You can afford to lose a little here and there on developing what your passionate about.

EDIT: Also, the UFC has a proven method for "creating" stars (Ultimate Fighter) where other org's are stuck building existing stars.

[LoonY ToonZ]

Originally Posted by TheBonger

the UFC is not in trouble anybody that thinks they are need too check the PPV Buys. No one can even come close, Dana White will have too fuck up ALOT in the next couple of years to knock the UFC off of its perch.

You mean fuck up like not signing Fedor and losing UFC's stars because he wont pay them right and instead offers them rediculous contracts? His contracts make Don Kings contracts look like a blessing.

PPV buys? The stars sell the fights, and UFC is brilliant at marketing them, but if you look at the past years headline fights, they aint all that special.

If im a fighter and Dana offers me minimal money and a rediculous contract why shouldnt i sign with someone else, as couture and fedor did and as more will follow? Kimbo got 175 grand for his 2nd mma fight, how many guys in the ufc can say they ever saw that type of money? The other organizations and private promoters will have no problem paying these guys more money then the ufc. UFC is holding out until they are forced to pay more to keep their fighters. They refused to sign Fedor because it would mean everyone else would want more money.