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[MasterShake]

Originally Posted by SW Marble

There were some good ameteur fights on that card. A few of them are definately worth watching. A few guys with a lot of heart.

If not for Kim Couture, I would tune in for the fun of the sport, and the rise of new talent.

Good views, next time watch the double post though, you'll get reamed a good one for that, just gotta click the edit button and you can add whatever you want to your previous statement

[POINDEXTER]

Originally Posted by Palma

After watching her train on that vegas.tv segment I noticed she just looked like any ordinary woman with no fighting experience trying to train MMA. Here punches were beyond girly and she totally looked like the type of gf or wife that mimics whatever her bf or husband is doing (like the women who are way to into Harleys).

This makes it even lamer than I had already imagined.

[terriblet]

IMO No,but who am I to say? Maybe she'll surprise everybody and light the MMA world on fire,in turn possibly setting up a women's superfight showdown against Gina Carano somewhere down the road. I seriously doubt this will happen but I guess you never know for sure what might happen in Mixed Martial Arts.

[Quintessential Studmuffin]

No she doesnt deserve it. The only reason she got any attention is because of her last name. Anyone got a vid of Gina breaking her nose?

[Bran]

until she makes a sex tape with gina carano, i could care less.

[twankydawg]

Originally Posted by LadyJag

OKay... good post.. lots of interesting points and what not i agree.. BUT in the same respect... Kim Couture isn't doing anything different then slice and lesnar? Both men have little experience in the mma game and yet they are on good cards as main events or whatever their first time in? They are only getting that treatment and that paycheck because of the reputations they built b4 hand... which isn't bad.. BUT in the same sense.. why shouldn't other fighters be mad? they have been working their asses off to get where these people are right now? and to get paid what they get paid... but since they dont bring a long a reputation with their name.. they are screwed...

look at all the posts on here with fighters leaving after their contract is up or so many more posts about money? i actually got some insight on the ufc talking with a fighter from the organization and he said that the ufc is good to be famous.. other then that your better off fighting somewhere else because you will make more money, and the guys will take care of you.. another fighter told me that if you want the ufc to pay for something (say u got injured in a fight) u hope to god you have some good lawyers...

LIKE this is just an example of how the ufc is seriously running itself into the ground...

If you talked with a fighter from the UFC and he told you that they don't pay the medical bills, he's full of fucking shit. The Athletic Commissions require them to pay for medical care. The UFC is great for making you famous but you would make more money in another org? I fail to believe that, especially considering that the UFC fighters are going to get more in sponsorships, and the fact that anyone with a decent name is getting paid quite handsomely, especially compared to other orgs payscales. Go back and look at what fighters made on the last few UFC cards and then go look and see what fighters were paid at some other orgs. There is no comparison.

[LadyJag]

Originally Posted by MasterShake

I agree with your points for the most part, Kimbo Slice I will not even start to try and justify him, except the fact atleast he is training in a gym now, and fighting in a cage, instead of a backyard. Brock on the other hand has credentials not many new comers have, as far as his amatuer days of wrestling go, so I think he was very justified in his test against Mirr, which I think he did ok for his second match ever. Brock also did not take a short road and fight a bunch of wash ups or no bodies like our buddy Kimbo, he talk crap and got in there against an actual athlete, and lost.

I also understand why the fighters are mad, but its like this if you want to get famous make an impact turn some heads, or marry someone famous, with connections unfortunately its a simple fact of life. I think UFC should definetly give some insurance, they make enough money. I think that alot of other girls also deserve exposure over someone that has never fought, but what all female divisions are missing is proper promotion. Its still not about the best female fighters as sad as it is, its whichever women is going to put ass's in seats plain and simple.

- BUT that's all brock had.. was his wrestling thats the only thing they talked about in the all access it was WRESTLING and PRO wrestling.. nothing about his previous fights.. nothing about his stand up.. and no offence his stand up wasn't all that great and it hink he was tryign to out muscle mir in the fight... and he was so tense (like most wrestlers) that his hammer fists didn't even look like they were doing much... I dont take anythign away from him he's a great athlete BUT shoudl he have been in a main event right away like that? i dont think so.. i think that more cage time.. woudl have led up to a better ppv event... ? u know?

Originally Posted by twankydawg

If you talked with a fighter from the UFC and he told you that they don't pay the medical bills, he's full of fucking shit. The Athletic Commissions require them to pay for medical care. The UFC is great for making you famous but you would make more money in another org? I fail to believe that, especially considering that the UFC fighters are going to get more in sponsorships, and the fact that anyone with a decent name is getting paid quite handsomely, especially compared to other orgs payscales. Go back and look at what fighters made on the last few UFC cards and then go look and see what fighters were paid at some other orgs. There is no comparison.

- how would you know becuase a media release says what they make? seriously.. its all PR haha LOOK at all the reports of fighters leaving the ufc... what you think they are leaving for no reason? THEY CLEARLY think they are better off.. the ufc is running itself into the ground... hving like 4 events a month? which makes the cards so boring at imes.. and i feel sorry for the guys becuase they train hard and deserve a good ppv event... fighters get paid.. BUT they dont like get paid what they should and I DO believe some organiztions treat them better then the ufc.. WHICH is why most are leaving... i think...

PR is a great thing there is always a game plan to make something more then what it is... But i'm in school for media i guess i shoudl know that.. but ... everyone is entitled to their own opinion and i appreciate yours

[kc56]

Originally Posted by LadyJag

- BUT that's all brock had.. was his wrestling thats the only thing they talked about in the all access it was WRESTLING and PRO wrestling.. nothing about his previous fights.. nothing about his stand up.. and no offence his stand up wasn't all that great and it hink he was tryign to out muscle mir in the fight... and he was so tense (like most wrestlers) that his hammer fists didn't even look like they were doing much... I dont take anythign away from him he's a great athlete BUT shoudl he have been in a main event right away like that? i dont think so.. i think that more cage time.. woudl have led up to a better ppv event... ? u know?

What stand up did you see?

And yes, he should have been on the main card that soon. You are talking about him only as a fighter, and while that is fair, we all know that is not everything. UFC 81 did exceptional PPV #s. Love it or hate it, that was largely because of Brock.

To say wrestling is all Brock has is trivializing things. He was one of the most recognized sports figures out there, not to mention one of the most successful NCAA wrestlers. What is Kim Couture famous for? Marrying Randy? You tell me which one carries more weight.

Originally Posted by LadyJag

- how would you know becuase a media release says what they make? seriously.. its all PR haha LOOK at all the reports of fighters leaving the ufc... what you think they are leaving for no reason? THEY CLEARLY think they are better off.. the ufc is running itself into the ground... hving like 4 events a month? which makes the cards so boring at imes.. and i feel sorry for the guys becuase they train hard and deserve a good ppv event... fighters get paid.. BUT they dont like get paid what they should and I DO believe some organiztions treat them better then the ufc.. WHICH is why most are leaving... i think...

You are free to think that, but it is not accurate. Please take a look at the declaration of pay for the UFC and then for the other Orgs. Now tell me where the money is. You make it seem like so many fighters are leaving because of pay. Randy and Tito are the only ones that really come to mind, and they are pretty much the same person, the difference being that Tito doesn't try to pretend he is someone else. The UFC provided cancelled checks and deposit slips showing what they paid Randy and that he was lying.

You are arguing against yourself here. You say on one hand that fighters deserve more money and we deserve better matches, but yet you turn around and fault the UFC for having too many PPVs? Well, if the UFC didn't have that many events, their fighters would sit around and not get paid to fight, then they would leave anyways. Not every fight can be Hendo vs Silva. Sometimes you are pleasantly surprised though. If there was no undercard, how would we know half of the fighters we know and love today?

[POINDEXTER]

Originally Posted by LadyJag

- BUT that's all brock had.. was his wrestling thats the only thing they talked about in the all access it was WRESTLING and PRO wrestling.. nothing about his previous fights.. nothing about his stand up.. and no offence his stand up wasn't all that great and it hink he was tryign to out muscle mir in the fight... and he was so tense (like most wrestlers) that his hammer fists didn't even look like they were doing much... I dont take anythign away from him he's a great athlete BUT shoudl he have been in a main event right away like that? i dont think so.. i think that more cage time.. woudl have led up to a better ppv event... ? u know?



- how would you know becuase a media release says what they make? seriously.. its all PR haha LOOK at all the reports of fighters leaving the ufc... what you think they are leaving for no reason? THEY CLEARLY think they are better off.. the ufc is running itself into the ground... hving like 4 events a month? which makes the cards so boring at imes.. and i feel sorry for the guys becuase they train hard and deserve a good ppv event... fighters get paid.. BUT they dont like get paid what they should and I DO believe some organiztions treat them better then the ufc.. WHICH is why most are leaving... i think...

PR is a great thing there is always a game plan to make something more then what it is... But i'm in school for media i guess i shoudl know that.. but ... everyone is entitled to their own opinion and i appreciate yours

Brock probably should have not been co-headlining given his skill level and lack of experience. You can make the case that in terms of fans, crossover appeal, and revenue, it was a good choice. You can also note that he was given quite a hefty task in fighting Mir - and he did far better than I had ever anticipated. Mir immediately knew he was in danger and if he hadn't got the sub then he was facing some serious damage. Yeah, Brock's strikes weren't the best, but they were doing the job - and he had clearly progressed from his only other previous fight.

I think the UFC is the place to both make the money and make a name for yourself. IMO, some fighters go to the smaller orgs because it is seen as much easier to rise to the top. The competition level on the whole, even for lesser names, is far greater in the UFC.