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Originally Posted by fedor

That is why I said I love him lose/win or say whatever he says he is just too much of a personality...(and a badass fighter).

I don't think you can have too much of a personality in MMA..

[mmhmm]

Originally Posted by STruC1x

I think most of you are missing RJ's point!

RJ is pretty much saying that Wandy acts tuff in normal life. And RJ is saying that he doesn't give a buck who Wandy is, and IF Wandy acts like he's Mr. Macho Man... well then BUCK HIM....

Get it?

I'm the same way... If your tuff... well great!
But don't give me shit because yoru tuff... I like you, I respect you... BUT don't get macho with me...

I guess Wandy acts Macho... and RJ don't give a shit!

Sorry to double post, but maybe you should watch Wand shove Rampage at PRIDE 25 and Rampage back away in disbelief, or him act like a coward when Wand is calling on Coleman and Baroni backstage. "Who me?!" Maybe that act fools some, but bottom line is Rampage would get beat worse in the street by Wand then he did in the ring. Last time I checked Rampage is running his mouth about Wand, Shogun, Chuck, Forrest, anybody he can think of. He's the one who thinks he's street certified, and considering he took 2L's to Wand outside of the ring and 2 inside, he sounds like an insecure guy trying to fool people who do not know any better, (kind of like Dana and Chuck talking about Fedor). By the way, I didn't know how you acted in real life towards guys who "act macho" lol had anything to do with this thread. No disrespect, honestly, but I think you're the one who missed the point.

[Punk Ass]

Originally Posted by mmhmm

LOL. New to mma my man?? The first fight was the finals in the tournament, Rampage knew for months he'd be fighting the winner of Wand vs Yoshida, aka, Wand. As far as the second fight goes, it was hyped four and a half months out, PRIDE 28: High Octane...the rematch?? Rampage knew and was training for the fight before Wand destroyed Yuki Kondo, how do I know that?? He was commentating at ringside and said as much. To say in your opinion Wand could never ever beat Rampage again also shows you don't know much about their history. Rampage struggles against all muay thai fighters. A. Silva would destroy him. Aside from Wand knocking him through the ropes and mauling him the first time, Shogun absolutely annihalated him, and Ninja got robbed. It's funny Rampage says this, when he was given many gift decisions himself, and Wand was robbed vs Hunt. Would Rampage fight Hunt or CC?? Isn't Rampage the same guy who with Juanito was struggling vs Don Sik and "Japanese cans"??? Didn't Rampage fight Minowa and countless other "Japanese cans" in order to move his way up the ranks?? Silva is and always will be a better fighter then Rampage, a boxing coach named Juanito doesn't train muay thai clinch defense. Rampage should really give it up, he's getting pathetic.

Well, just to clear things up, I've been watching MMA since UFC 1, so no, I'm not new.

First of all, I was quoting Rampage about the short notices and IMO overall bad training conditions. I will acquiesce though, Wand and Shogun were probably just much better better at the time. I'm pretty sure Rampage wasn't being trained by Jaunito at the time and from what I've seen his standup has improved tremendously. Have you forgotten that Rampage made Chuck his bitch while Wand was getting his ass whipped by Chuck? Have you forgotten that Hendo knocked Wand completely the fuck out while Rampage went toe to toe with him and won?

Also, yes Rampage has been thrown a few cans just like Wand has but Rampage has been more impressive against stiffer competition IMO. Who's the last top 10 LHW Wand has beaten besides Rampage? I can't think of any, but Rampage has beaten Lindland, Chuck Liddell, and Hendo. 2 of whom beat Wandy BTW.

BTW- Other then knocking out Chuck, what has he done? Struggled against a glass jaw Eastman that Lutter knocked out, and went to a tough decision vs Hendo. I'm not saying that's better then Wand who lost to Chuck and Hendo. What I'm saying is where does all this "he's changed so much" come from. Isn't this the same guy who was in a razor thin decision vs Lindland?? He's lucky he's fighting Forrest, because Machida would ice him.

Lol, maybe his "change so much" comes from the fact that he's been winning while Wand has been getting his ass whipped every chance he gets.

Seems to me like your just a hater and you don't even make sense. To down play the fact that Rampage has been on a serious tear and has beaten fighters many fans have said he would never beat is just stupid.

Also, to say Machida would "ice him" tells me you are pretty biased and don't even use logic when you pick fights. It's impossible to write Page off in that fight. First of all, Page has better standup IMO, is much stronger, great BJJ defense, and has tremendous power. Page is no Soko!

[Noise Chopped]

Seriously. I mean, I don't mind Rampage getting some press for himself - Whatever.

But in all seriousness: Wanderlai has torn through Rampage. Badly. I can't imagine how badly he'd fuck him up on the street. I wouldn't count Rampage completely out in the UFC, seeing as he's made some progress. He did* just beat Dan Henderson, but still.

War Silva

[Punk Ass]

Originally Posted by Noise Chopped

Seriously. I mean, I don't mind Rampage getting some press for himself - Whatever.

But in all seriousness: Wanderlai has torn through Rampage. Badly. I can't imagine how badly he'd fuck him up on the street. I wouldn't count Rampage completely out in the UFC, seeing as he's made some progress. He did* just beat Dan Henderson, but still.

War Silva

Your answering yourself. If Rampage has handled 2 guys standing that have both destroyed Wand, then obviously some progress has taken place.

Just think to yourself, can you really see Wand withstanding a hard right hand by Rampage right now? It's not like Page wont hit him, and I'm almost positive he's learned to defend those knees now. Seeing how Page is permorming now, how the hell is Wand going to win? Forget the past, look at now.

[Ubermensch]

Originally Posted by harlemhustla145

Your answering yourself. If Rampage has handled 2 guys standing that have both destroyed Wand, then obviously some progress has taken place.

MMA math doesn't work you should know this my main man. So stop using it for your argumentation.

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I don't care how many wars Wand has been in and how much worse he is now, until Rampage shows he can defend the clinch with something other then his chin or head, I pick any solid muay thai fighter over him. Let's see him fight Thiago Silva or Luis Cane, he'll probably struggle to a decision at best.

BTW, I like Rampage, he's solid, but he's not as good as he talks, and he looks like the exact same fighter with Juanito he did with Oyama. Oh yeah, Marcelo Garcia is the man.[/QUOTE]

this is just my opinion but i think the ufc rules suit rampage's style, as pride rules were more beneficial to muy thai fighters. now rampage could throw elbows to the head forcing the clinch to be more dangerous for his opponents
and imagine the elbows rampage used to throw to the body, landing straight on someones temple or jaw. plus he has a cage to press people against and drop elbows. instead of stopping the fight and resetting due to the ropes.
your right though he is the same fighter. with better cardio, sparring partners, coach, confidence, reflexes. plus hes not as gun shy as he was later on near to the end of his career in pride.

[domination]

i also have this weird feeling rampage and silva will fight 2 more times. rampage winning both by tko due to elbow and second fight ko due to elbow.

[Dork8503]

Originally Posted by harlemhustla145

Rampage is right. Pride was known for giving people fights on short notice. In both of the Wand fights Rampage was on short notice from what he said.

IMO Wand could never ever beat Page again.

Thats a dumb comment.

I didn't quote your next post, but sounds like your trying to use some MMA math type shit with the Rampage made Chuck his bitch, while Chuck beat Wandy.

Rampage fought a hard fight against Hendo, yet Anderson finished him in 2 rounds.

So does that mean Anderson can beat Rampage.

[mmhmm]

Originally Posted by harlemhustla145

Well, just to clear things up, I've been watching MMA since UFC 1, so no, I'm not new.

First of all, I was quoting Rampage about the short notices and IMO overall bad training conditions. I will acquiesce though, Wand and Shogun were probably just much better better at the time. I'm pretty sure Rampage wasn't being trained by Jaunito at the time and from what I've seen his standup has improved tremendously. Have you forgotten that Rampage made Chuck his bitch while Wand was getting his ass whipped by Chuck? Have you forgotten that Hendo knocked Wand completely the fuck out while Rampage went toe to toe with him and won?

Also, yes Rampage has been thrown a few cans just like Wand has but Rampage has been more impressive against stiffer competition IMO. Who's the last top 10 LHW Wand has beaten besides Rampage? I can't think of any, but Rampage has beaten Lindland, Chuck Liddell, and Hendo. 2 of whom beat Wandy BTW.

Lol, maybe his "change so much" comes from the fact that he's been winning while Wand has been getting his ass whipped every chance he gets.

Seems to me like your just a hater and you don't even make sense. To down play the fact that Rampage has been on a serious tear and has beaten fighters many fans have said he would never beat is just stupid.

Also, to say Machida would "ice him" tells me you are pretty biased and don't even use logic when you pick fights. It's impossible to write Page off in that fight. First of all, Page has better standup IMO, is much stronger, great BJJ defense, and has tremendous power. Page is no Soko!

For a guy who followed mma since UFC 1 (how many times have I heard that?) you obviously never followed PRIDE, thus your opinion on this said topic is clearly lacking knowledge and understanding. Anybody who followed PRIDE remembered his fights vs Wanderlei and the build up for both fights, so clearly you never watched it during it's time and are pulling up ghost quotes (Rampage would never say he had no time to prepare for his fights vs Wand when it's obvious that's b.s.) Rampage's stand up has improved "tremendously" since Juanito?? He dominated Chuck in PRIDE, more then he did in the UFC fight, standing and on the ground. Did his fights vs Lindland and Don Sik convince you he's so much better at striking now?? Or the fact Eastman and Henderson were both landing on him?? I find it amusing you use mma math considering Wand and Rampage have already fought twice. Ever heard of styles make fights?? Wanderlei beat Hendo as well. Rampage had an easier time with Arona, kind of, and Wand absolutely destroyed Sakuraba, a guy that tapped Rampage. I mean Rampage and Hendo could've went either way, and that fight didn't show any technical brilliance from Rampage, as a matter of fact none of his fights since joining Juanito have, he's the exact same fighter. I have all of his fights including KOTC on DVD, he is one of my favorite fighters, but that doesn't cloud my judgements in regards to the fact he's real good, but not great.

Wanderlei is way past his prime now. You keep bringing up his losses. Losing to the most feared HW striker at the time (other then Hunt, who Silva also fought) in the semi-finals of the OWGP is nothing to be ashamed of. Last time I checked, Rampage was struggling to decisions vs Lindland and Don Sik and putting on a horrible performance against Yokoi at that same time. Also, how can you say Rampage has been more impressive against stiffer competition?? Like who?? Chuck and Igor?? Wanderlei beat CC (although an official draw), should've got the nod vs Mark Hunt, destroyed Saku three times, destroyed Rampage twice, beat Yoshida twice, and was a one time grand prix champ, two time runner up. Rampage was a finalist, once, he got smoked by Shogun in the first round in the next tournament, and was no where to be soon during the OWGP, he had basically left PRIDE after putting on five pathetic performances in a row (Silva 2, Ninja, Shogun, Yokoi, Don Sik).

Don't forget Wand was the first to KO Fujita, went 5 years undefeated at 205 and beat all comers, including your boy. Lol you brought up Lindland, I didn't think any Rampage fan would dare bring up a fight he arguably lost. Silva beat Hendo the first time way more decisively when they first fought then when Rampage beat Hendo. And yes, Chuck beat Wanderlei, a guy Rampage owns, but Wand owns Rampage, the old Chute Boxe does period, so what's your point?? Obviously Rampage is a "chump", because Wand murked him twice. On top of that, he's fought way better opponents then Rampage and had a way longer run of dominance.

"Lol, maybe his "change so much" comes from the fact that he's been winning while Wand has been getting his ass whipped every chance he gets."

Fickle fans only remember the present. Last time I checked this interview is about the past, and Wand's record, and last time I checked it's better then Rampage's with bigger wins and better opponents. Maybe if Rampage was fighting Mark Hunt and CroCop instead of Don Sik and Yokoi like Wand was he'd be a little over the hill too. Wanderlei is a warrior. No mma fan in their right man would ever say Rampage has a better legacy, which is what we are talking about here. Only a blind guy on Rampage's jock would make that argument, and use the last 3 fights in each guy's career to do so, and that's where you come in.

"Seems to me like your just a hater and you don't even make sense. To down play the fact that Rampage has been on a serious tear and has beaten fighters many fans have said he would never beat is just stupid."

I've obviously watched Rampage longer then you have, and what mma fan said he wouldn't beat Lindland, Eastman, Chuck and Hendo??? That's 'just stupid', because Lindland is a MW, Eastman is a nobody, Chuck is a guy Rampage owns (much like Wand and Rampage) and Hendo, while being a tough guy, had no business wearing the PRIDE 205 title because he never did anything in that division up until beating Wand in PRIDE. Getting tapped out by Lil Nog in 3 minutes doesn't qualify. You've probably never saw that fight though.

Oh yeah, as far as Machida goes, you claim I am biased and don't use knowledge, then proceed to say Rampage is a better striker. LOL. Karate ace, muay thai expert?? Hmmm, vs a street boxer with good defense but light years behind Machida in terms of technique and skill. Rampage would have to hit Machida to use that power you keep talking about. Machida is a better striker, better on the ground, better technically, and he held his own vs Sam Greco, I'm pretty sure he could handle Rampage's "improved striking". Please educate yourself on the topic before calling me biased and questioning my mma knowledge, it's obvious to anybody on here that knows mma, I'm the one who knows what they're talking about, and you're the guy who just started cheering for Rampage after the Chuck fight. Lindland?? Lol you brought that up as a big win?? Lol.

EDIT - Oh yeah, since leaving Rampage half dead through the ropes, Silva defeated Arona, Yoshida, Nakamura and Fujita. Not to mention going toe to toe with Mark Hunt and losing a very close decision that a lot of people, including Bas and Couture thought he deserved, although I personally thought Hunt won. The reason he fought so many Japanese fighters in PRIDE is because after he mauled Saku the first time, they kept trying to have a Japanese fighter beat Wanderlei. That's why Saku was sent to his death bed three times vs him. Once again, try watching PRIDE before speaking on it. And don't pretend you did, I already pointed out how obvious it is you didn't.