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[AudieMurphy1]

there seems to be a very limited diversification of martial art forms in mma, granted pride has a fair bit more diversefication than ufc which may be one of many reasons why pride seems to have better competition but in general you have boxing/kickboxing jujitzu and wrestling, with alot having some sort of training in tai kwan do and occasionally some judo. it took someone like gracie to get people to take jujitzu seriously, and karate seems to simply be to rigid for this sport especially when not used in conjuction with judo. I for one would love to see some people come out using some different forms, what do you guys think, what would you like to see and what do you think could make an impact on the sport? i think eventually you'll start seeing more and more kung fu, and i would love to see someone come out using some drunken monkey, granted, finding someone to teach drunkin boxing is damn near impossible but still i would love to see it, mainly because i think it is the most under rated form ever.

[Mastiff_owner]

I think that for striking any martial arts form will suffice. Chuck uses Kempo. A lot of fights go to the clinch and for that there is really only one and that is Muay Thai maybe Judo if they want to go to the ground.

When the fight goes to the ground you better have some wrestling or Jiu-jitsu background. Sambo is definitely an option as well.

I think that because of where the fights take place the fighters have to train what works where. These aren't tournaments where there are a ton of rules. This is basically a controlled street fight with two badasses throwing down. I think we will see some innovative strikers adapting and adding to their arsenal, but for the most part I think that what works now will work 5 years from now it will just evolve like it has the past 5 years.

[AudieMurphy1]

Originally Posted by Mastiff_owner

I think that for striking any martial arts form will suffice. Chuck uses Kempo. A lot of fights go to the clinch and for that there is really only one and that is Muay Thai maybe Judo if they want to go to the ground.

When the fight goes to the ground you better have some wrestling or Jiu-jitsu background. Sambo is definitely an option as well.

I think that because of where the fights take place the fighters have to train what works where. These aren't tournaments where there are a ton of rules. This is basically a controlled street fight with two badasses throwing down. I think we will see some innovative strikers adapting and adding to their arsenal, but for the most part I think that what works now will work 5 years from now it will just evolve like it has the past 5 years.

i agree with what you say about what works now will always work and about it being a street fight, i'm not trying to say that they shouldnt be concentrating on what works, i just think there are some very usable forms out there that we are not seeing that i think could shake things up, i have always been a big proponent of using what your oppinent gives you which is why i think theres a place for kung fu in this sport

[Mastiff_owner]

Kung Fu will have a place in this sport. Watch Cung Le. He is a Kung Fu San Shou artist and he is bad ass. He is a 185er that has been dominant in kickboxing and is 2-0 in mma. I can't wait for him to get signed by a major org.

You should check out youtube for some of his fights amazing technique and accuracy.

[Greenish]

Punching in Karate sux, not that I'm good or anything, but I remember when I was learning it as a kid you aren't supposed to move shoulders at all, which means you can't generate power at all, it's like a jab.

I really wonder how come it took mankind hundreds(or thousands?) of years to discoved that 80% of what traditional MAs teach you doesn't work in a real fight? :-?

[Punk Ass]

Originally Posted by AudieMurphy1

there seems to be a very limited diversification of martial art forms in mma, granted pride has a fair bit more diversefication than ufc which may be one of many reasons why pride seems to have better competition but in general you have boxing/kickboxing jujitzu and wrestling, with alot having some sort of training in tai kwan do and occasionally some judo. it took someone like gracie to get people to take jujitzu seriously, and karate seems to simply be to rigid for this sport especially when not used in conjuction with judo. I for one would love to see some people come out using some different forms, what do you guys think, what would you like to see and what do you think could make an impact on the sport? i think eventually you'll start seeing more and more kung fu, and i would love to see someone come out using some drunken monkey, granted, finding someone to teach drunkin boxing is damn near impossible but still i would love to see it, mainly because i think it is the most under rated form ever.

I agree, I've been saying this for years. The reason why people dont do different marcial art styles anymore is because they generally dont work. Styles like Drunken Monkey, Wu Sho, Wing Chun, simply dont work in a fight against a Mixed Martial Artist. Sure it would be entertaining, but Royce proved it was useless in an MMA fight in the early days.

Bruce Lee even said that if a person who was skilled at Wing Chun was to fight a boxer, he would get his head taken off, because Boxers train to counter punch and dodge, and for some strange reason it just doesn't work. And if a person who new Drunken Style was fighting in MMA he would get his head kicked off trying to dip and flip around, he would just get grabbed.

Kung Fu, Tai Kwan Do, and Karate, have limited use in MMA. For the time it takes to block a punch to deliver your own, you could be countering. That's why Boxing,and Muah Thai, are most used.

The only style that seems to be the best alternative to Boxing and Muah Thai is San Shou Kung Fu. The best practitioner in the world is a guy named Cung Le (he's also in my avatar). He's undefeated in Kick Boxing and is 2 and 0 in MMA. He's working on his ground game but BY FAR, HE'S THE BEST STRIKER I'VE EVER SEEN IN MMA. I think he's better than Cro Cop and Chuck P4P. You should look at a couple of his fights, he does things no other MMA fighter does and slams the hell out of any fighter he faces.

[AudieMurphy1]

Originally Posted by Mastiff_owner

Kung Fu will have a place in this sport. Watch Cung Le. He is a Kung Fu San Shou artist and he is bad ass. He is a 185er that has been dominant in kickboxing and is 2-0 in mma. I can't wait for him to get signed by a major org.

You should check out youtube for some of his fights amazing technique and accuracy.

cung is an excellent example

the problem i see with the martial arts community is simply aragance, allow me to tell a story....

i grew up in a small rough neck town with little more to do than chase women, drink beer and get in fights, typically in a small town like that you have your local bad ass, when i was in junior high it was no different, there was a guy who was simply a bad ass street fighter and annilated any one brave enough to take him on, he left and went off to do some underground cage fighting, in his absence a korean man moved in and opened up a tia kwon do school and after several years was considered the badest man in town, then our local street fighter came back home and heard all about this guy and how he was the man, so he went down to the school and challeged the man, of coarse trying to instill honor in his students he declined not taking the street fighter seriously but after several weeks of heckling the black belt accepted the challege. each brought there own wittness and the fight was held at his school. the black belt started stretching and warming up with all is fancy kicks and what not while the street fighter just cracked his nuckles and waited, when the fight started the black belt came out with a high kick, the street fighter caught it through him to the ground and beat the hell out of him, the point? no amount of training replaces practical use.

[AudieMurphy1]

Originally Posted by harlemhustla145

I agree, I've been saying this for years. The reason why people dont do different marcial art styles anymore is because they generally dont work. Styles like Drunken Monkey, Wu Sho, Wing Chun, simply dont work in a fight against a Mixed Martial Artist. Sure it would be entertaining, but Royce proved it was useless in an MMA fight in the early days.

Bruce Lee even said that if a person who was skilled at Wing Chun was to fight a boxer, he would get his head taken off, because Boxers train to counter punch and dodge, and for some strange reason it just doesn't work. And if a person who new Drunken Style was fighting in MMA he would get his head kicked off trying to dip and flip around, he would just get grabbed.

Kung Fu, Tai Kwan Do, and Karate, have limited use in MMA. For the time it takes to block a punch to deliver your own, you could be countering. That's why Boxing,and Muah Thai, are most used.

The only style that seems to be the best alternative to Boxing and Muah Thai is San Shou Kung Fu. The best practitioner in the world is a guy named Cung Le (he's also in my avatar). He's undefeated in Kick Boxing and is 2 and 0 in MMA. He's working on his ground game but BY FAR, HE'S THE BEST STRIKER I'VE EVER SEEN IN MMA. I think he's better than Cro Cop and Chuck P4P. You should look at a couple of his fights, he does things no other MMA fighter does and slams the hell out of any fighter he faces.

i disagree about drunken monkey form, but i think the issue would be finding someone who not only knows it and understands how its suppose to work but finding someone that can utilize it in a practical way

[Punk Ass]

Originally Posted by AudieMurphy1

cung is an excellent example

the problem i see with the martial arts community is simply aragance, allow me to tell a story....

i grew up in a small rough neck town with little more to do than chase women, drink beer and get in fights, typically in a small town like that you have your local bad ass, when i was in junior high it was no different, there was a guy who was simply a bad ass street fighter and annilated any one brave enough to take him on, he left and went off to do some underground cage fighting, in his absence a korean man moved in and opened up a tia kwon do school and after several years was considered the badest man in town, then our local street fighter came back home and heard all about this guy and how he was the man, so he went down to the school and challeged the man, of coarse trying to instill honor in his students he declined not taking the street fighter seriously but after several weeks of heckling the black belt accepted the challege. each brought there own wittness and the fight was held at his school. the black belt started stretching and warming up with all is fancy kicks and what not while the street fighter just cracked his nuckles and waited, when the fight started the black belt came out with a high kick, the street fighter caught it through him to the ground and beat the hell out of him, the point? no amount of training replaces practical use.

Most disiplines do not teach to fight on the ground. Royce proved that. I seen people in my old high school whip a Chinese persons ass using the street fighting technique. When a person is taken to the ground, Judo or JuJitsu, or Wrestling is needed to fight a person who really knows what there doing. Standing up, you better have boxing skills or Muay Thai. Granted most people are not trained but if you have enough fights, like your local street fighter then you have no choice but to become reasonable at it.

Which brings us to MMA, by far the best style. All styles in one!!!

[Punk Ass]

Originally Posted by AudieMurphy1

i disagree about drunken monkey form, but i think the issue would be finding someone who not only knows it and understands how its suppose to work but finding someone that can utilize it in a practical way

Maybe I'm wrong. Is there a web site or link you have where I can see it used in a real combat situation?