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[Dork8503]

If Rich would change camps we would see a new better fighter. Go to Randys, Jacksons, Att, any of those camps. Go to a camp that can offer training partners that are better an will push you.

[POINDEXTER]

That sideways nose thing Silva gave Franklin was brutal.

[Ramma]

Originally Posted by dbader08

his stand up is good and i can't see it getting too much better than it already is...

his ground game is what needs improvement...

...do you really think his best option is to stand with silva other than trying to work on his ground game and take silva down...even after we've seen him get absolutely destroyed twice standing up by him?

You can always improve.

Rich has a better chance at KOing Silva than he does submitting him, and Anderson's fight with Henderson attests to that. Do YOU really think he is going to be able to touch Anderson on the ground if Lutter and Henderson got subbed? Not a chance in hell.

And yeah, we saw him get destroyed twice, in the clinch, for making the SAME stupid mistake.

When you are clinched, your defense isn't to turn away with a straight posture, completely exposing your ribs. You DO NOT RUN FROM THE CLINCH.

Did Rich do anything different in fight 1 and 2? No, he even said he had the same game plan in the countdown.

There are a lot of tools in the stand up game that Rich doesn't use. Rich could also get faster, have better kicks, elbows, knees, and for god's sake, clinch defense... believe me, there is plenty of room for improvement.

Rich is a better striker than he is a grappler. At 34 years old, you don't switch from a striker to a BJJ guy.

You improve YOUR game in everyway you can and you improve all ways to keep the fight at your pace, choice, etc. (i.e. like Couture). You don't do a 180


Like Dork has been saying for almost a year at this point.. MORE THAN ANYTHING, Rich needs a new camp.. those guys aren't doing shit for him.. to be blunt.

[Problematique]

Originally Posted by thecoylewis

I'm a big Rich Franklin fan. He's in a bad, bad spot right now. Anderson Silva has not 1 but 2 devastating wins over him and it looks like he will reign supreme for some time in that division. It would be hard for him to drop to 170, and to go up to 205, he would be smaller than them and Rampage has a stranglehold on that division. With only a few years left, I wouldn't mind seeing him go to a different organization and test the waters outside the UFC. I would also love to see a 3rd fight between the 2 but don't think the outcome would change any. Had Anderson Silva not come along, Rich would still own that division, Silva just came along at the same time and is just plain better.

Hard to drop to 170?
It's impossible for Franklin to drop to 170.
He drops alot to make 185, let alone 170, it'd kill him...

[Dork8503]

Originally Posted by Ramma

You can always improve.

Rich has a better chance at KOing Silva than he does submitting him, and Anderson's fight with Henderson attests to that. Do YOU really think he is going to be able to touch Anderson on the ground if Lutter and Henderson got subbed? Not a chance in hell.

And yeah, we saw him get destroyed twice, in the clinch, for making the SAME stupid mistake.

When you are clinched, your defense isn't to turn away with a straight posture, completely exposing your ribs. You DO NOT RUN FROM THE CLINCH.

Did Rich do anything different in fight 1 and 2? No, he even said he had the same game plan in the countdown.

There are a lot of tools in the stand up game that Rich doesn't use. Rich could also get faster, have better kicks, elbows, knees, and for god's sake, clinch defense... believe me, there is plenty of room for improvement.

Rich is a better striker than he is a grappler. At 34 years old, you don't switch from a striker to a BJJ guy.

You improve YOUR game in everyway you can and you improve all ways to keep the fight at your pace, choice, etc. (i.e. like Couture). You don't do a 180


Like Dork has been saying for almost a year at this point.. MORE THAN ANYTHING, Rich needs a new camp.. those guys aren't doing shit for him.. to be blunt.

Yup, he just needs a new camp.

Only reason he hasn't left yet is because his loyalty. I understand he is great friends with Jorge, but come on man you have to realize that camp is offering nothing.

What he needs is to fucking train with Anderson when he moves to the states.

He would be training with both Nogs, Anderson, and Lyoto. All great fighters who would all offer something great to Rich.

I don't care what camp he goes to, well ok i would care if it was crap.

He needs a camp that has better fighters at MW, LHW and HW then he is. He needs guys that can push him, push him to limits he has never seen or dreamed of going. He needs to hone his skills, develop new skills and just become a different guy.

I hope with Jorge going out side the camp to train now, that Rich will take notice an do the same.

[Ramma]

^^ Agreed

I think the fact that Rich's camp developed the same exact game plan for the second fight speaks for itself.

Time for a new camp.. hell, take Jorge with him. Jorge is really good as well.


Oddly enough, if he joined Silva, he'd be training with the only two guys that ever beat him in 20+ fights.

[Problematique]

Originally Posted by Dork8503

If Rich would change camps we would see a new better fighter. Go to Randys, Jacksons, Att, any of those camps. Go to a camp that can offer training partners that are better an will push you.

I would love to see Franklin training with Jackson or @ Randy's.
Both good camps to go too, the one with Silva and the Nog's would be great too, as the only 2 guys who beat him, he'd be training with, only problem is he don't speak portuguese. (i think thats wat brazilians speak)

[dbader08]

Originally Posted by Ramma

You can always improve.

Rich has a better chance at KOing Silva than he does submitting him, and Anderson's fight with Henderson attests to that. Do YOU really think he is going to be able to touch Anderson on the ground if Lutter and Henderson got subbed? Not a chance in hell.

And yeah, we saw him get destroyed twice, in the clinch, for making the SAME stupid mistake.

When you are clinched, your defense isn't to turn away with a straight posture, completely exposing your ribs. You DO NOT RUN FROM THE CLINCH.

Did Rich do anything different in fight 1 and 2? No, he even said he had the same game plan in the countdown.

There are a lot of tools in the stand up game that Rich doesn't use. Rich could also get faster, have better kicks, elbows, knees, and for god's sake, clinch defense... believe me, there is plenty of room for improvement.

Rich is a better striker than he is a grappler. At 34 years old, you don't switch from a striker to a BJJ guy.

You improve YOUR game in everyway you can and you improve all ways to keep the fight at your pace, choice, etc. (i.e. like Couture). You don't do a 180


Like Dork has been saying for almost a year at this point.. MORE THAN ANYTHING, Rich needs a new camp.. those guys aren't doing shit for him.. to be blunt.

Rich has never, ever been subbed, yet he has been KO'd 3 times in brutal fashion...so yes i do believe that taking silva down and GNP'g him would be his best option...and no-one ever said that rich would sub him...

like i said earlier though, this is only if rich improves his BJJ and wrestling...(which isn't going to happen at MFS, dork is right lol) He needs to train with Bj Penn himself or Fabricio Werdum...or maybee even Travis Lutter lol (highly unlikely..obviously)

I honestly do not think that he has a chance in hell EVER at beating Anderson standing up...Anderson is just such a terrible match-up for Rich standing up imo...

[mmasince91]

I like rich I really hope he beats Lutter. I am not sure what they are going to do with him once he wins though. Most people won't want to see a third match of him and Anderson.

[blah]

franklin picked a bad time to change his training regimen--he changed it after silva I. had he continued with his old regimen, the one we saw on the loiseau all access, he would have continued to be dominant and have peak performances up until about now.