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[jhell]

Anyone that can beat Shogun as convincingly as he did, should be far from an underdog.

[mauladala]

Originally Posted by kc56

Yeah...I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with you on both of those points there Bob.

First off, Rampage's fight with Henderson was 5 long hard rounds. Forrest has never gone that long, especially with that level of fighter.

Second, say what you want about all 3 of their striking, but IMO Rampage is WAY ahead of Forrest and Jardine for skills and KO power on the feet. I don't see Rampage having a problem KOing Forrest. If you don't see it, tune in on July 5th and you probably will.

Lol! Nice. Pleeease tell me ur making some sort of Office Space reference and not just being a douche...

We'll see what happens man. Forrest is known for his conditioning and Rampage has seemed gassed in previous fights- and admitted his conditioning was terrible and that he smoked and partied too much. Albeit, this was in his Pride days and his godawful performance versus Lindland. Isn't Shogun WAY ahead of Forrest on striking too? That didn't turn out so pretty for him.

I just dont see it.. I dont weigh Forrest win over Shogun that much in this fight cuz IMO its a completely diff matchup regardless of the fact that Shogun was the #1 LHW at the time.

I just think I had a better idea of what kind of fighter Serra was going into the GSP fight because he had a war with BJ Penn, he did have some solid wins that for whatever reason got overlooked as soon as he beat GSP (he did beat Lytle) Hes been known for his KO power before the fight cuz of the match with Karo. and even the fight with BJ.. He doesnt have any bad loses either outside of the Shonie fight.

Forrest on the other hand.. always been a shoot fighter, he doesnt have the pedigrees that Serra has.. he isnt an expert in any one level.. but what hurts this matchup even more is.. Forrest doesnt have heavy hands, he isnt a KO artist.. he isnt a great wrestler.. he has solid Jitsu skills but lets get real here.. Rampage has fought over a handfull of fighters with much better Jitsu then Forrest.

When you got fights like these, where its underdog vs champion.. when do you rarely see an upset come in the form of a decision? its rare because most of the time the underdog has to finish the fight by puncher's chance etc.. I mean thats why hes the underdog.. cuz hes not as skilled as the other fighter so theres no reason to believe he would outscore/outskill the other guy into a decision.

Forrest IMO lacks the finishing ability to beat a guy like Rampage.. he can sub a gassed Shogun who he outsizes and outmuscles.. even though Shogun was a Black belt and great on the ground.. but outsizing and outmuscling Rampage? who matches him in size, and outmatches him in strength? on top of that.. Rampage wont gas like Shogun did? doubt that will happen. On top of all this, he doesnt have the hands to really have a puncher's chance vs Rampage.. Forrest has 2 knockouts in his whole career.. theres no way that alla sudden hes gonna be blessed with the intangible of being a KO artist.

Taking down the better wrestler in Rampage seems far-fetched too, maybe its just me but it seems a lot more unlikely that Forrest will beat Rampage then it does Serra beating GSP.. cuz Serra had KO power, striking, and Jitsu.. he had aspects of his game that he could use to beat GSP.. I dont see any aspects in Forrest's game that he could use to beat Rampage. Surviving isnt gonna win him a fight against a guy like Rampage.

I agree with pretty much everything you said here. Let me be clear: I do NOT think Forrest will win this fight. I DO think he will last the five rounds. And "surviving" definitely won't win him the fight. I was stating my case that Forrest will last.

Aren't his arms longer than QJ's btw? Seriously just wondering.

Originally Posted by Palma

The difference is that Forrest likes to block punches with his face and doesn't get going until after the first round.

Dude, this is very true. Maybe Forrest will win by face to fist submission.

[Wolverine77]

I think it would be awesome for Forrest to become champ and beat Rampage,, but any bets Im gonna have to go with Rampage by KO 1rnd.

[ultimate_mayhem]

I have been watching mma for aproxmitly my whole life, since UFC 1, and in that course of time, Serra has been my favorite guy for a while. Forrest is one of my top favorite new guys in the sport. I do not see Forrest being an underdog any more... mabye if forrest fought rampage way back before he Forrest fought tito, then he may have been as big as an underdog as serra was aginst gsp. Forrest has proven time and time again that he can overcome all odds and give the best fighters a run for their money.........


Forrest by split Decision

[kc56]

Originally Posted by mauladala

Lol! Nice. Pleeease tell me ur making some sort of Office Space reference and not just being a douche...

We'll see what happens man. Forrest is known for his conditioning and Rampage has seemed gassed in previous fights- and admitted his conditioning was terrible and that he smoked and partied too much. Albeit, this was in his Pride days and his godawful performance versus Lindland. Isn't Shogun WAY ahead of Forrest on striking too? That didn't turn out so pretty for him.



I agree with pretty much everything you said here. Let me be clear: I do NOT think Forrest will win this fight. I DO think he will last the five rounds. And "surviving" definitely won't win him the fight. I was stating my case that Forrest will last.

Aren't his arms longer than QJ's btw? Seriously just wondering.


Dude, this is very true. Maybe Forrest will win by face to fist submission.

Yep, total Office Space reference. John C. McGinley is one of my favorite actors.

As for Shogun's striking? I have said even before the Forrest fight that I felt his stand up was overrated (not being fair weather, look it up, I said it well before)

I think that he got outstruck by Lil Nog and Overeem pretty bad. True, he beat Rampage, but Page had a broken rib pretty quick into the fight. Yes, it was as a result of something Shogun did, but it changed the fight 100%. I would say that Rampage takes him handily in the rematch.

As for Forrest "lasting"? I don't think we will get a chance to see his conditioning lasting 5 rounds. IMO Rampage will end the fight long before then. Rampage has had "Fuck you up power" and it has only gotten better working with Juanito.

[mauladala]

Originally Posted by kc56

Yep, total Office Space reference. John C. McGinley is one of my favorite actors.

As for Shogun's striking? I have said even before the Forrest fight that I felt his stand up was overrated (not being fair weather, look it up, I said it well before)

I think that he got outstruck by Lil Nog and Overeem pretty bad. True, he beat Rampage, but Page had a broken rib pretty quick into the fight. Yes, it was as a result of something Shogun did, but it changed the fight 100%. I would say that Rampage takes him handily in the rematch.

As for Forrest "lasting"? I don't think we will get a chance to see his conditioning lasting 5 rounds. IMO Rampage will end the fight long before then. Rampage has had "Fuck you up power" and it has only gotten better working with Juanito.

Yeah. I don't deny Rampage's standup prowess, especially since Juanito began training him. His hands are great. Anyway, we'll see. But I can't see how Overeem outstruck Shogun Rua in their second fight. He straight up kicked Overeem's ass everywhere for 3 minutes.

I don't want to "Jump to Conclusions" without my trusty mat.

Office Space and Scrubs are a few of my favs. and McGinley is the shit.

[Steel]

I don't think he's even close to being the underdog Serra was.

[LefthookStcrook]

Big underdog,Yes. As big as Serra/GSP, NO. The thing about Forrest is hes a gamer, hes there until he loses. Add that with the fan following he has from TUF and i bet Vegas wont have him close to 10-1 odds. Im saying 3-1, 4-1 max. I know MMA math is not really reliable but Forrest WHOOPED Shogun, and Shogun WHOOPED Rampage. I know MMA math is garbage and if i had to bet i'd pick Rampage. But theres something about Forrest that doesnt wanna make me bet against him, hes almost like a Randy Couture the way he can overcome adversity, you can never count him out.

Prediction: Something tells me Forrest could pull out the upset if he drags it into the later rounds, if he doesnt get KO'd lol. we all see how much better Forrest gets when hes in a war, and i could deffinatly see him winning by stoppage or sub in the 4th or 5th .
BUT Rampage will prolly win by TKO in the first 3rounds lol i cant make up my mind

[kc56]

Originally Posted by mauladala

Yeah. I don't deny Rampage's standup prowess, especially since Juanito began training him. His hands are great. Anyway, we'll see. But I can't see how Overeem outstruck Shogun Rua in their second fight. He straight up kicked Overeem's ass everywhere for 3 minutes.

I don't want to "Jump to Conclusions" without my trusty mat.

Office Space and Scrubs are a few of my favs. and McGinley is the shit.

Perfectly fitting reference.

Also, Dr. Cox is the shiznit.

I will have to re-watch Overeem vs Shogun 2 because I was basing it on their first match when Shogun was getting worked everywhere the fight went until Overeem gassed, or stopped trying, or did whatever the hell is wrong with him in about 90% of his fights.

Along with Rampage's striking, I think his striking D is about as good as there is in the UFC right now, all of that spells problems for Forrest.

[cpac77]

No way in hell is Forrest a bigger underdog than Serra was.

If Griffin had gotten an immediate title shot at Rampage/Liddell right after winning TUF... then he'd be as huge of an underdog. Maybe a bit bigger.