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[jonz]

If randy wants to make that kind of money he should: Start his own org, pay for ads, venue, insurance, lawyers, negotiate with cable co., deal with whinny fighters asking for more money, and have a payroll of 100s to run such a production company. Or... he can fight 3 times a year making approx 4 million a year from the UFC, and atleast that much from sponsers and other business interests that wouldnt exist if it were for the UFC.

[twankydawg]

Originally Posted by Clint

Actually it was about money at first, and then it wasn't about the money it was about respect, and now it's back to the money. So this is the second time he has changed his position

Randy has made himself look like a fool talking out of both sides of his mouth. I hope he gets his fight with Fedor and just gets brutalized.

Originally Posted by LebenTysonTank

Don't worry Palma will come and clear it up for us and tell us why Randy is in the right.

LOL, I know someone else that will probably join him but to keep the peace he will remain nameless!

[Severn]

Respect is money when it comes to business. I don't have a problem with someone who flat out says "I'm not being respected enough for what I've done. I want more money." That's straightforward and honest and understandable. But the back and forth on this is tiresome.

Funny, professional baseball player, hall of famer, beloved hero and icon to millions of latin american's Roberto Clemente told Dick Schaap that he would play baseball for free.

That summer he held out for more money.

These things happen but I just wish people were flat out honest about what they want.

[kc56]

Originally Posted by twankydawg

Randy has made himself look like a fool talking out of both sides of his mouth. I hope he gets his fight with Fedor and just gets brutalized.

I would rather see him be dominated by Nog at this point. But I have to wonder, how much back-tracking and double-talking does Randy have to do before people see though this whole "nice guy" routine?

Originally Posted by twankydawg

LOL, I know someone else that will probably join him but to keep the peace he will remain nameless!

Ooh! Ooh! is it me? Is it me?
lol

[maxp84z]

Originally Posted by ninjastix

The Hydra lives on....

Though I did read the bit about getting paid "market value"... I think if he's expecting to make what Mayweather does he's over-estimating the current MMA market... it's just not there yet... but I don't think that's what he's getting at... however...

I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHAT YOU WANT RANDY!!!... how much money is fair? how much is market certified for the Natural...? TELL US AND END THESE POSTS!!!!

Also note that Floyd is considered in the whole p4p argument for boxing, Randy is not for MMA... maybe in regards to heavyweights but no one realistically has Randy being top 3 p4p, and that should factor in to what he's paid along with what he draws...

Isnt the UFC kicking boxings ASS when it comes to PPV? sales and live gate??? The thing about BOXING is that there is only 1 or 2 major events a YEAR when it comes to boxing... UFC puts WAY more out there than Boxing. I dont think MMA is quite there as far as paying a single fighter 30 million per fight. I definately do think MMA fighters should be making near 6 figures a fight if they fight on PPV...With guys like Silva, Franklin, BJ, Chuck, Nog etc etc making nearly 1 million per fight.

Higher base pay for lower to mid card fighters would attract other very talented fighters from other orgs...The thing about business in the 21st century is the huge GAP between the workers and execs. Back about 40-50 years ago, CEO's only made about 40 times the ammount of your average employer... nowadays CEOs make about 433 times the ammount of your average worker. Businesses need to close the gap and start paying their employees more or they'll have an uprising.

I'm all for the fighters making more money... What I dont understand is while RANDY was still with the UFC, why wasnt he smart enough to form a fighters union asking for more pay???? He should have gotten Liddell, Anderson Silva, Franklin, all of the fighters to go on strike till their demands are met... It's happened in the NFL, MLB, every major sport... I'll say it, the fighters dont get paid shit and the UFC is supposed to be the top of the food chain. Sup@that?

i was in another randy thread where his contract situation was the discussion. I dont see what all the fuss is about randy now. Who cares if he's bitching about PBF making way more then the MMA fighters?

The situation isn't worth debating over anymore because he won't be free from his contract until July of 2009, and that means he wouldn't be fighting until pretty much the end of 09. WHO KNOWS what the hw picture will look like then.

Tim Sylvia is fighting Fedor. Will he win? Probably not, but I've seen crazier things happen in MMA then Tim beating Fedor, so I'm not ruling it out. If AA leaves the UFC, he'll probably get a shot at Fedor somewhere down the road. Randy doesn't realize how bad he has fucked up.

It appears as though he thinks he's going to be free from his contract this July. I can't wait to hear the drama this summer when Randy's still stuck on the sidelines!

[LoonY ToonZ]

its funny how you guys attack randy when hes trying to help out his fellow fighters, this is seriously pathetic. Since when did people start taking the side of the corporations? rediculous

[twankydawg]

Originally Posted by kc56

I would rather see him be dominated by Nog at this point. But I have to wonder, how much back-tracking and double-talking does Randy have to do before people see though this whole "nice guy" routine?




Ooh! Ooh! is it me? Is it me?
lol

It's you bitch, you Randy nuthugging, UFC bashing motherfucker!

Randy has become a joke, I'm about to leave my job and I joke with the wife about pulling a Randy Couture. It's all about the money but I'm going to act like it's not when I leave!

Originally Posted by LoonY ToonZ

its funny how you guys attack randy when hes trying to help out his fellow fighters, this is seriously pathetic. Since when did people start taking the side of the corporations? rediculous

when randy decided not to honor his contract, i decided to take sides with the ufc against randy and randy alone so stop with your absurd claims

[kc56]

Originally Posted by maxp84z

Isnt the UFC kicking boxings ASS when it comes to PPV? sales and live gate???

No. Especially when you are talking about DLH or PBF. Their fight did over $120million and over 2.4 million PPV buys. Randy has never done anything even remotely close to that. Also they did everything themselves. and there was virtually no undercard.

Originally Posted by maxp84z

The thing about BOXING is that there is only 1 or 2 major events a YEAR when it comes to boxing... UFC puts WAY more out there than Boxing. I dont think MMA is quite there as far as paying a single fighter 30 million per fight. I definately do think MMA fighters should be making near 6 figures a fight if they fight on PPV...With guys like Silva, Franklin, BJ, Chuck, Nog etc etc making nearly 1 million per fight.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I disagree. It is easy to sit here and armchair QB the innerworkings of the UFC and how they organize fights and fighters, but truth is, I think they are doing a great job. Now, that said, the fighters do have a chance to earn closer to six figures. It is called bonuses. If you give the viewers something to talk about, you get paid. If you pull a Kalib Starnes, you get canned.

Originally Posted by maxp84z

Higher base pay for lower to mid card fighters would attract other very talented fighters from other orgs..

That is how the UFC has gotten where it is today. GSP didn't start out in the UFC. Anderson Silva didn't start in the UFC. Rampage Jackson didn't start in the UFC. Nogs didn't start in the UFC. See the trend? The UFC pays better than any other successful organization. Sure some orgs that are starting up are talking big, but we will see at the end of the day how deep they open their checkbooks, and for how long (ask Matt Lindland about that one).

Originally Posted by maxp84z

.The thing about business in the 21st century is the huge GAP between the workers and execs. Back about 40-50 years ago, CEO's only made about 40 times the ammount of your average employer... nowadays CEOs make about 433 times the ammount of your average worker.

No, the thing about business is things are still based on supply and demand. If you are some mid-level employee and you take a job for $30-$50k a year, that is what you get paid for the job you do. It is none of your business what the CEO of your company makes. If you don't want your job at the offered salary range, don't take it. There are PLENTY of people that will take it if you don't. If you want CEO pay, do what it takes to get there.

Originally Posted by maxp84z

Businesses need to close the gap and start paying their employees more or they'll have an uprising.

Yeah man, I am sure with all of the people that are unemployed and the economy going the way it is right now, there is about to be a mass walkout of the American workforce that actually have jobs any day now.

(note the sarcasm)

You must have watched the episode of South Park where all of Canada goes on strike because they want "more money".

Originally Posted by maxp84z

I'm all for the fighters making more money... What I dont understand is while RANDY was still with the UFC, why wasnt he smart enough to form a fighters union asking for more pay????

What about this whole debacle makes you think that Randy is being smart about the whole thing?

Originally Posted by maxp84z

He should have gotten Liddell, Anderson Silva, Franklin, all of the fighters to go on strike till their demands are met... It's happened in the NFL, MLB, every major sport...

Seems to me all of those other fighters you just named are having their demands met and seem happy. Why would they follow Randy while he marches off a cliff? Randy is the one bitching about respect and how he wants "Chuck Liddell money". Why would Chuck care? He is set. Oh yeah, because he knows he has a good thing and doesn't seem to be overly greedy.

Originally Posted by maxp84z

I'll say it, the fighters dont get paid shit and the UFC is supposed to be the top of the food chain. Sup@that?

Maybe fighters (in general) don't get paid shit (in your opinion) but the UFC fighters seem to be paid the best, and have the best opportunities. Also, a part about being in the UFC and being on the top of the food chain is the exposure. For making you a celeb and getting you endorsements. Do you think that Chuck would have been on Entourage if he would have followed his career as an accountant? Probably not.

Originally Posted by LoonY ToonZ

its funny how you guys attack randy when hes trying to help out his fellow fighters, this is seriously pathetic. Since when did people start taking the side of the corporations? rediculous

How is demanding more money for him (when he is the 2nd highest paid fighter) helping out his fellow fighters? That is the kind of bullshit I am talking about. Since you believe Randy, I also have a bridge I would like to sell you...