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09-25-2006, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Boo I don't completely agree with what Randy said, but Hughes DID defend against all of Penn's submissions. | did he? I thought at the end he was caught in a submission and was holdin on till the round ended
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09-25-2006, 06:58 PM
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DEFEND?????? Its called saved by the bell....In a real fight, Matt loses.....PERIOD!!!!
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09-25-2006, 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by chenny007 DEFEND?????? Its called saved by the bell....In a real fight, Matt loses.....PERIOD!!!! | A real fight? Like on the street? In a real fight you do whatever you need to so you don't get killed. If you meant a "real" fight like on the street then that arguement is as baseless as saying "In wrestling, Penn would have pulled out a steel chair."
Yeah...in a real fight my Minnesota Vikings would not have lost to the Chicago Bears....but there are these pesky little things called rules...damn it...they alwasy get in the way...
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09-26-2006, 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by chenny007 DEFEND?????? Its called saved by the bell....In a real fight, Matt loses.....PERIOD!!!! | In a real fight Hughes would kill Penn. Don't bring BJJ to a street fight.
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09-26-2006, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Masscore In a real fight Hughes would kill Penn. Don't bring BJJ to a street fight. | Do you mean an old school UFC fight, or a street fight? Old school UFC it would have been interesting, but Hughes was escaping the hold at the end of round 2. His head was already out, after all. A street fight is a whole different beast, there is no way to know who would win something like that.
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09-26-2006, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Boo I don't completely agree with what Randy said, but Hughes DID defend against all of Penn's submissions. | I agree. Penn's submissions were awesome to watch. But Hughes didn't tap to them, and in the end, the attempts took more out of Penn than they did Hughes.
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09-26-2006, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by chenny007 DEFEND?????? Its called saved by the bell....In a real fight, Matt loses.....PERIOD!!!! | Looked like BJ was losing that grip at the end of the rd to me. BJJ isn't going anywhere.
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09-26-2006, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by chenny007 DEFEND?????? Its called saved by the bell....In a real fight, Matt loses.....PERIOD!!!! | In a REAL fight I'd win cuz i'd pick up a baseball bat and kick AZZ!!! REAL FIGHT????? WTF!!!
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09-26-2006, 02:08 PM
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If BJJ became obsolete then that would mean no one would train in it, and all you would have to do is train in it and then you could submit people with ease. If people still trained in it just to learn how to defend submissions, then it can't be considered obsolete because you still use it. Obsolete is when something has no use, BJJ will always have a use because you will always have to know how to at least defend submissions. With that said, I don't think BJJ is going anywhere, it will just evolve like everything else.
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09-26-2006, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Tokyo's bad boy If BJJ became obsolete then that would mean no one would train in it, and all you would have to do is train in it and then you could submit people with ease. If people still trained in it just to learn how to defend submissions, then it can't be considered obsolete because you still use it. Obsolete is when something has no use, BJJ will always have a use because you will always have to know how to at least defend submissions. With that said, I don't think BJJ is going anywhere, it will just evolve like everything else. | I think everyone is confusing the terms "obsolete" and "lost its dominance". In the golden days off MMA (you know...1993-1998) BJJ was the dominant martial arts form. Now...it is essential to any and all fighters style, but no longer a style that puts you head and shoulders above other competitors. This statement only applies if the other competitor also has BJJ training; if he doesn't, then BJJ is a dominant weapon.
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