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[hunterkiller]

Originally Posted by JoeyMafia

I always thought the whole idea of cutting weight was to be at the TOP of the lower class to get an advantage? If Chuck Liddell was to fight at heavyweight, he would be at a big disadvantage against a fighter at 250, not to mention he wouldn't be in the shape he is at Light Heavyweight since he would have to gain 20 pounds... With Chuck at 205 he ends up being one of the biggest of the light heavyweights...

He wouldn't have to put on any weight, he just wouldn't have to cut weight. Chuck, Tito, and alot of the guys at LHW walk around every day and on fight day at 215-220.

I think they should implement a heavier weight class like super heavyweight. If you're over 250 or something like that.

[jonz]

This is funny, its an arguement my wife and I always get in, she can't figure out why people cut weight, I try to explain and she says "well if everyone is doing it why dont they just stop and everyone would fight at their wieght and it would be even."

Anyways, a few reasons why this can't/shouldn't be regulated:

if a person does an unhealthy cut they will suffer in the fight

what constitutes an "unhealthy cut" is different from person to person because people retain water differently. Some retain a lot others do not.

This is water weight. I weigh 185, couple of weeks ago I was outside for a few hours cutting the lawn and when I weighed myself afterwards I was 177. 8 pounds gone without really trying.

There is no really effective way to determine how much they truly cut. even if you weigh them a week before then the day before the fight as some atheltic commisions do for boxing, who is to say they don't cut weight the week before.


If the commisions saw this as a serious issue then they would do the one thing that would prevent big weight cuts.... mandate that there are more weight divisions

[Palma]

Originally Posted by iverbure

I don't want to discount Fedor but i believe with being smaller heavyweight ands the rule changes he would have lost to someone in the UFC within his first 3 fights. (Randy - Timmy - AA)

... and with this statement I will not take anything you have to say seriously from now on. Really, a very dumb thing to say.

First of all, if you want to talk small HWs, let's talk Randy Couture who obviously can fight at 205.

Second of all, Fedor just beat Hong who is 35 pounds too heavy to fight in the UFC.

Third of all, Fedor beat Hunt a year and a half ago who is also too heavy to fight in the UFC.

The subject content of this forum has come under scutiny with knowledgable posters as a site slight more educated then Sherdog. Please don't contribute to this reputation with supid statements like "Fedor would have lost in the UFC" when you have no evidence to even slightly support such an absurd accusation.

This whole thread makes this forum look like a bunch of duchebags who just got into MMA yesterday.

[Mungo]

You can gain a size and strength advantage by cutting weight but you also risk gasing.

[kalebarker]

I have to disagree with people not being able to cut weight. It's as much part of the sport as stiking, wrestling etc. If you're only justification is gives some people a big disadvantage, it is seriously flawed. If you eliminate cutting weight you're still going to get size mismatches. Someone who is naturally around 205 is still going have be alot bigger then someone who is naturally just over 190.
The best way to help eliminate these mismatches is to add more division.As long as there is a 20 pounds difference in weight a weight class, you are going to find fights with roughly a 20 pound difference between the fighters. A small LHW who may not be able to make 185 and won't be able to handle the strength of the big LHW's would be perfect for 195.

[vegetable power]

If your a big strong fighter with a good muscle build like shawn sherk, or quinton rampage jackson I could see how cutting weight could be an advantage. On the flip side Mike swick who is already a skinny guy looked weak at 175. Couldn't some of these smaller fighters just build up some more muscle and than cut weight like the other guys to be stronger in there weight class. I mean brandin vera doesn't really look like he hits the weights to much.

[LadyJag]

Originally Posted by Qball1974

I never liked cutting weight, they sould weight the fighters the day of the fight(couple hrs before.).. THATS YOUR REAL WEIGHT!

umm? how is a fighter suppose to rehydrate? if they can't take the weight cutting get outta the sport...

speaking of which i did a story on weight cutting you can check it out

WEIGHT CUTTING STORY

[iverbure]

Originally Posted by Palma

... and with this statement I will not take anything you have to say seriously from now on. Really, a very dumb thing to say.

First of all, if you want to talk small HWs, let's talk Randy Couture who obviously can fight at 205.

Second of all, Fedor just beat Hong who is 35 pounds too heavy to fight in the UFC.

Third of all, Fedor beat Hunt a year and a half ago who is also too heavy to fight in the UFC.

The subject content of this forum has come under scutiny with knowledgable posters as a site slight more educated then Sherdog. Please don't contribute to this reputation with supid statements like "Fedor would have lost in the UFC" when you have no evidence to even slightly support such an absurd accusation.

This whole thread makes this forum look like a bunch of duchebags who just got into MMA yesterday.

Easy da bud. I know what Fedor did beating Hong Man and Hunt with there weight, and i know Randy is one of the smallest HW.

I am just saying imo, with all of the pride guys have come over, the history suggests Fedor wouldn't run thru everyone as his ranking would suggest. Now you are probably going to come back with how many of the former pride guys have done so well and i will agree with you. I am not hating on the pride guys i actaully cheer for them over the ufc guys because they are the old pride guys.

I mean sense when did a prediction have to come with evidence as to why a fighter would lose. Can you please provide me with evidence as to why the pittsburgh pengins are going to win the stanley cup.

Alls i am saying is from what i seen and the way the matches are sceduled in the ufc, the ufc obvisouly wants the ufc guys to win thus putting even more pressure on the old pride guys. That statment is not all true because i am sure they didn't want Cro Cop to go and lose two fights when they were paying him all that money, but the fact is they would rather have american guys that sell ppvs win, rather than old pride guys who won't sell as much.

I said Fedor would likely lose because of what i mention above here and because those 3 fights all provide Fedor with unquie challenges he never really faced in pride.

Randy being a camable striker and very good wrestler could control Fedor, While Timmy being the most skilled big man, way more skilled than Schilt and Hong Man and AA could match Fedor's sambo with his own and has very good striking ability.

I do agree with you when you say this turned into a sherdog thread where people were agruing over whether or not cutting weight should be legal or not. The point of the thread was really bringing up whether or not fighters should fight in a weight class above the lowest one they can make. I asked this because the UFC is loaded with mostly americans who cut a lot of weight to make weight and are much bigger and stronger, and the evidence of that is usually shown when a pride guy comes to the ufc and fights against UFC guys.

[sandywh]

If fighters fought at their natural weights.....
Matt Hughes - LHW - 200 lbs
Sean Sherk - LHW - 190 lbs
Rich Franklin - HW - 215 lbs
BJ Penn - MW - 180 lbs

Weight cutting is part of the sport. Its a part of boxing, wrestling, or any other competition where weight is used to seperate opponents.

[iverbure]

Originally Posted by sandywh

If fighters fought at their natural weights.....
Matt Hughes - LHW - 200 lbs
Sean Sherk - LHW - 190 lbs
Rich Franklin - HW - 215 lbs
BJ Penn - MW - 180 lbs

Weight cutting is part of the sport. Its a part of boxing, wrestling, or any other competition where weight is used to seperate opponents.

Again i didn't want this to become a debate about whether or not weight cutting should be allowed. Your right on the above infomation, but where i really wanted to go with this was, take Alessio Skaraka for example. From now on i no longer want to see a guy come in and be what turned out to be the gatekeeper of a division for a year or so and than drop to Middleweight.

If a guy loses in one division but has the ability to make another lower one it just seems like he was buying time. It makes him look less impressive imo in a weird way. Lets say he loses two in a row at LHW but drops to MW, and than goes on and wins 3 in a row and gets a title shot, would everyone not think he is a way bigger badass if he hadn't lost in the ufc twice already.

I don't really want to see some guy get a second chance because he was too lazy to cut a few pounds. imo he should get his shot at the one division and if he fails he leaves and doesn't come back until he proves he can be a force in a lower division before bringing him back.