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[kc56]

Originally Posted by Palma

Fitch fanboys??? Re-read this thread and tell me who has the real "fanboys"... GSP fans are in for a rude awakening if they think he is going to walk through Fitch... He can't lay and pray on Fitch so I hope his "superior" wrestling can help keep it standing.

Yeah, it will be a war. It will also be interesting to see what the game plan is. If GSP comes in the same, or switches it up.

[Warchief]

I see a lot of ppl eating crow if Fitch fulls off the upset.

[Palma]

Originally Posted by LookitsLance

Palma, how do you think the fight will go down? I mean Fitch is an amazing wrestler, and I doubt he will let GSP do what he did to Serra, but I don't really see Fitch being able to keep GSP down either. And GSP seems to have superior standup, how would you see Fitch securing a win?

GSP certainly has better stand up, but Fitch is really getting under-rated on his standup... I don't think GSP should be worried about standing, but Fitch's best striking attribute is his defense. Fitch has the ability to weather the storm standing and take the fight to the ground.

As far as wrestling... Fitch is a different kind of wrestler and MMA fighter that he has yet to face. Koscheck, Sherk, and Hughes all like to set up takedowns from the outside, which they try and hide with fake strikes. Fitch likes to tie-up with guys from the clinch and dirty box, throw you around and up against the cage before he changes levels and secures your legs for a takedown. GSP's takedown defense is completely predicated on not letting wrestlers getting shot from outside. GSP's striking stance is kept a wide base so he can jump back when the shot comes. With Fitch he won't be shot on unless they are engauged allot closer.

On the ground I have to give the advantage to Fitch... he was able to defened dozens of submission attempts from Diego (who is allot better then Fitch and GSP in terms of BJJ) and was able to survive for the decision. GSP isn't going to throw as much at him as Diego did. On top GSP will try to grind him out with elbows and on the bottom GSP is just going to try and get off his back. Fitch has a legitimate gaurd game off his back and can avoid damage. If Fitch gets GSP on his back I don't GSP getting out from underneith him.

I see the fight going to a close or even split decision... I think GSP will outscore Fitch standing, Fitch will win the takedown contest, and the ground with go back and fourth but it will also be the majority of the fight.

GSP can win by standing KO or decision... I don't see him winning by sub or gnp.

Fitch can win by decision, sub, or gnp.

I am giving the edge to GSP but it is too close to call imo.

[singinkangaroooo]

Fitch has good wrestling but i wouldnt call it great... but he is a very tough guy and give him and opening hell take it and put you out... but i dont really see anywhere that stands out that Fitch would give GSP problems other than Fitch prob being one of the bigger guys that GSP will face so it will b interesting to see how GSP deals with similar sizes...

But i just dont see Fitch being able to make it all 5 rounds to possibly getting a decison let alone see him winning 3 rds.. i can see him winning 1 maybe 2 if it would go all 5 but i cant see him winning this fight...

this fight is what the card needed and now this is going to be an awesome event and when they get Brock an opponent, maybe with a second chance at this they can give Brock and opponent that actaully makes sense...

WAR MN

Originally Posted by palma

As far as wrestling... Fitch is a different kind of wrestler and MMA fighter that he has yet to face. Koscheck, Sherk, and Hughes all like to set up takedowns from the outside, which they try and hide with fake strikes. Fitch likes to tie-up with guys from the clinch and dirty box, throw you around and up against the cage before he changes levels and secures your legs for a takedown. GSP's takedown defense is completely predicated on not letting wrestlers getting shot from outside. GSP's striking stance is kept a wide base so he can jump back when the shot comes. With Fitch he won't be shot on unless they are engauged allot closer.

On the ground I have to give the advantage to Fitch... he was able to defened dozens of submission attempts from Diego (who is allot better then Fitch and GSP in terms of BJJ) and was able to survive for the decision. GSP isn't going to throw as much at him as Diego did. On top GSP will try to grind him out with elbows and on the bottom GSP is just going to try and get off his back. Fitch has a legitimate gaurd game off his back and can avoid damage. If Fitch gets GSP on his back I don't GSP getting out from underneith him.

this if for clarifying purposes are you concidering doubles outside shots? if so then yes all 3 you mentioned are outside shooters, but one of the reasons GSP is so good at defending take downs is his insane flexibilty and strength of his hips... now i dont know if you ever wrestled some1 with very heavy hips but it feels like when you shoot in a brick wall decideds to fall on your shoulders.. that is why GSP, imo, has such good TDD..

but you do have a point about Fitch in the clinch.. however i think GSP can learn that in camp and be prepared for it.. i think Jacksons camp will also create a gameplan perfect for Fitch like they did Serra...

i agree GSP will beat him on the feet but i think GSP can hurt him from the top position... iin Fitchs fight against Carnero he was schooled that first round.. granted it was a while ago and im sure Fitch corrected some of those mistakes from that fight but it proves he can be beat from the top position... Diegos BJJ maybe better that GSP.. but there is no way his GnP is better.. GSP wont be going for sub attempts as much as he would just like to beat on Fitch... i would take GSP if he is on top

if GSP is on bottom i dont really know how that would go... Fitch has great hips and balance and can also deal some major punishment from top.. this is Fitchs best shot at scoring points... but the way Fitch will get him there is via take down or sweep.. GSP has very good hips as well on top so sweeps are unlikely... but Fitch CAN take GSP down... its just not going to be pretty i can see Fitch scoring a TD in a massive scramble but i think GSPs TDD is going to be to much for Fitch to handle...

also this will b Fitchs first big shot so i dont know how he will deal with that.. he could come out pumped or he could come out kind of shell shocked, in which case it wouldnt b pretty,

but you are definalty right in saying that Fitch shouldnt be looked over.. he is a VERY tough dude and can get GSP in trouble.. i just dont see it happening

[Palma]

Originally Posted by singinkangaroooo

Fitch has good wrestling but i wouldnt call it great... but he is a very tough guy and give him and opening hell take it and put you out... but i dont really see anywhere that stands out that Fitch would give GSP problems other than Fitch prob being one of the bigger guys that GSP will face so it will b interesting to see how GSP deals with similar sizes...

But i just dont see Fitch being able to make it all 5 rounds to possibly getting a decison let alone see him winning 3 rds.. i can see him winning 1 maybe 2 if it would go all 5 but i cant see him winning this fight...

this fight is what the card needed and now this is going to be an awesome event and when they get Brock an opponent, maybe with a second chance at this they can give Brock and opponent that actaully makes sense...

WAR MN

Lol, a 4 time NCAA all-american just has good wrestling??? GSP fans are too much.

[singinkangaroooo]

Originally Posted by Palma

Lol, a 4 time NCAA all-american just has good wrestling??? GSP fans are too much.

**anyone who can go through college wrestling deserves the utmost respect from everybody... this is not meant to undermine that thought**

this is not from my GSP bias.. Fitch is above good but he is not GREAT.. All American let alone 4x is a very good acheivment.. but great is NCAA champ... there is a difference that separates the good from great.. i dont throw the word GREAT around too much because not many ppl deserve it..

i dont compare wrestlers to non-wrestlers.. if i did then every wrestler would be GREAT... but i dont think Fitch is as good as Kos in pure wrestling... and i follow the Big 10 pretty closley and Purdue isnt an elite program either.. among wrestlers Fitch is better than good.. but i just have a hard time calling him great.. sue me i guess

[playuntiltheskyisblack]

Originally Posted by Palma

GSP certainly has better stand up, but Fitch is really getting under-rated on his standup... I don't think GSP should be worried about standing, but Fitch's best striking attribute is his defense. Fitch has the ability to weather the storm standing and take the fight to the ground.

As far as wrestling... Fitch is a different kind of wrestler and MMA fighter that he has yet to face. Koscheck, Sherk, and Hughes all like to set up takedowns from the outside, which they try and hide with fake strikes. Fitch likes to tie-up with guys from the clinch and dirty box, throw you around and up against the cage before he changes levels and secures your legs for a takedown. GSP's takedown defense is completely predicated on not letting wrestlers getting shot from outside. GSP's striking stance is kept a wide base so he can jump back when the shot comes. With Fitch he won't be shot on unless they are engauged allot closer.

On the ground I have to give the advantage to Fitch... he was able to defened dozens of submission attempts from Diego (who is allot better then Fitch and GSP in terms of BJJ) and was able to survive for the decision. GSP isn't going to throw as much at him as Diego did. On top GSP will try to grind him out with elbows and on the bottom GSP is just going to try and get off his back. Fitch has a legitimate gaurd game off his back and can avoid damage. If Fitch gets GSP on his back I don't GSP getting out from underneith him.

I see the fight going to a close or even split decision... I think GSP will outscore Fitch standing, Fitch will win the takedown contest, and the ground with go back and fourth but it will also be the majority of the fight.

GSP can win by standing KO or decision... I don't see him winning by sub or gnp.

Fitch can win by decision, sub, or gnp.

I am giving the edge to GSP but it is too close to call imo.

I agree with most everything you said, except I can't see Fitch getting a TKO on GSP, I think especially if Fitch gets him on his back, GSP will be way too snakey to get set up for a GNP TKO, because you're right GSP wouldn't try and work guard, he'd be focused on getting back up or to a dominant position.
I don't think I've seen enough of Fitchs Jits game to say he could get a sub on someone as strong as GSP. Could happen for sure, but Im saying that out of ignorance.
And when you say GSP could gt a standing KO, do you mean like..Franklin/Quarry KO, or a GSP/Hughes II KO? The reason I'm asking is I dont know if GSP could one punch KO Fitch. Definitely could like how he did Hughes...

[Palma]

Originally Posted by singinkangaroooo

**anyone who can go through college wrestling deserves the utmost respect from everybody... this is not meant to undermine that thought**

this is not from my GSP bias.. Fitch is above good but he is not GREAT.. All American let alone 4x is a very good acheivment.. but great is NCAA champ... there is a difference that separates the good from great.. i dont throw the word GREAT around too much because not many ppl deserve it..

i dont compare wrestlers to non-wrestlers.. if i did then every wrestler would be GREAT... but i dont think Fitch is as good as Kos in pure wrestling... and i follow the Big 10 pretty closley and Purdue isnt an elite program either.. among wrestlers Fitch is better than good.. but i just have a hard time calling him great.. sue me i guess

Sorry bro, but anyone who wrestles on the Div 1 level period is great in terms of wrestling... And if you really follow wrestling then you would Purdue has become an elite program in the past 10 years behind Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Iowa, Iowa State, Michigan, and Minnasotta...

He isn't as good as Koscheck, but Koscheck is great as well.

[Dork8503]

Originally Posted by Palma

Sorry bro, but anyone who wrestles on the Div 1 level period is great in terms of wrestling... And if you really follow wrestling then you would Purdue has become an elite program in the past 10 years behind Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Iowa, Iowa State, Michigan, and Minnasotta...

He isn't as good as Koscheck, but Koscheck is great as well.

No Palma Fitch and Kos are not great, they are just ok. GSP has great wrestling

[kingrobert]

Im glad that Fitch finally gets his title shot. Im not saying Fitch is a bad fighter I just think this is a bad match up for him. GSP is better then Fitch in every category. GSP is a way better striker with great movement. GSP has fought the best fighters and wrestlers in the world. Fitch has won many fights but not against the caliber fighters that GSP has. Another huge disadvantage is that in every fight Fitch has been in he has been the bigger and stronger fighter witch wont be the case in this fight.

GSP may not be a division 1 wrestler but has destroyed every wrestler he has fought. Matt Hughes. KOS, Trigg, and Shawn Sherk just to name a few. The only advantage Fitch might have is in the mental aspect. If he can put GSP in a bad spot and grind on him like he says it could be interesting.

GSP wins a TKO in the 3rd round.