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[Afro]

Originally Posted by chungt79

I am not saying Chuck is being protected from his fellow UFC fighters. That's ridiculous. Championship fights involving Chuck is bread and butter for UFC. However, what I can tell you is that if there is some sort of protection within the UFC, it is for those who are legitimate contenders. #2's are being protected so that their hype doesn't die down until they fight the champion.

But if you are talking about Chuck being protected from fighters outside of UFC, then he definitely being protected and I already explained that in my previous post on this thread.

If Chuck loses to anyone outside of UFC, then UFC lhw division takes a massive hit and that is probably the most profitable division for Dana. He will do anything he can to protect the image of Chuck until he is past his prime.

Should Chuck really be fighting Babalu twice, a washed up Couture 3 times, Vernon White, Jeremy Horn etc?

Ya the guy named Randleman etc etc but those are fights Chuck needed to make his way to the top, now that hes champion and marketable should he really be fighting Ortiz and all these guys? there not the cream of the crop at the LHW division.. Babalu is but hes not a good matchup for Chuck.

Chuck should be fighting Silva, Shogun, and Arona.. Hes in the Top 5 of the LHW right? so why isnt he fighting the Top 5? I still dont believe that Chuck cant go over to Pride and fight these guys if he wants to, and I dont believe that Dana cant bring them in... why didnt Dana put money out for Rampage? he can pay Tito, and Royce a million bucks but the opportunity he gets to bring in an actually contender to Chuck he passes on? I dunno about that but like I said Chucks a Top 5 LHW and should be fighting the Top 5 not the bottom 5.

[CHUCKtheCHAMP]

Originally Posted by chungt79

I was watching the show last night when Rich gave that stupid advice to Serra. Dana comes on and says something along the line of "He is a world Middle Weight champion! F*** pride and listne what he has to offer". These guys aren't rookies. They've been around and they seem to train well with one another without having too much ego.

Maybe I am over reacting here but Dana always seems to protect his favorite fighters too much. Too much to the point where the fans miss out on good fights because of this favoritism and the fighters themselves lose out by Dana's extreme favoritism.

It was well-known that Dana White was against Chuck fighting Babalou in their first fight because Dana didn't want Chuck to lose his #1 contender status. So in a lot of ways, Dana is controlling who becomes Champion at UFC. This is MMA and MMA is a sport. I hate the idea that some fighters are told against fighting someone because Dana is pulling the strings and creating matchups so we are sucked into the soap opera he created. I am getting tired of Dana building up crappy fighters to be contender and basically fooling us to think they are better than they actually are.

Moreover, since Dana is trying to protect Chuck, we may never see Rampage or Wand fight Chuck until Chuck is past his prime.

I have a lot more examples but I will stop here I suppose.

IF DANA WAS PREOTECTING HIS FIGHTERS AND BY THAT NOT GIVING US GOOD FIGHTS THEN Y ARE WE GETTING RICH VS SILVA WHICH IS THE MOST DANGEROUS FIGHT RICH HAS HAD IN THE UFC....

AND WHILE WERE ON THE SUBJECT OF PROTECTING, Y DOESNT ANYBODY GIVE SHIT TO THE PRIDE PRES. WHEN HE PUTS 180 POUND CANS IN THE RING TO FIGHT WAND,HMMM INTERESTING NOBODY SAYS SHIT ABOUT THAT, HMM INTERESTING EVERYONE BLAMES DANA FOR NOT LETTING THE CHUCK WAND FIGHT HAPPEN WHEN HE ANOUNCED IT, BUT PRIDE WAS THE ONE WHO DIDNT LET THAT FIGHT HAPPEN NOT DANA,

INFACT WASNT IT CHUCK WHO WENT TO PRIDE AND FOUGHT 3 TIMES, HMMM INTERESTING HOW CHUCK DOES THAT BUT PRIDE WONT SEND OVER THERE BEST FIGHTER TO FIGHT ONCE...HMMM

IM TIERD OF EVERYONE BEIONG SO BIASED TO THE UFC. DANA PROTECTS HIS CHAMPS ITS FUCKIN LOGIC TO PROTECT YOUR BUISNESS ASSETS!!! AND PRIDE DOES IT TOO BUT I DONT SEE A SINGLE PERSON POINT THIS OUT..

[killerinstinct]

Originally Posted by Afro Samurai

Should Chuck really be fighting Babalu twice, a washed up Couture 3 times, Vernon White, Jeremy Horn etc?

What the fuck are you talking about?Are you trying to act like Babalu wasn't deserving of a title now that he got laid out in the first round?When before that you were nearly positive he'd beat Chuck and Couture was certainly deserving ,considering he was the former champion and had a win over Chuck.Jeremy Horn was a very dangerous fight for Chuck.He had previously beat Chuck and many people thought style wise he could beat Chuck again.

[killerinstinct]

Originally Posted by CHUCKtheCHAMP

IF DANA WAS PREOTECTING HIS FIGHTERS AND BY THAT NOT GIVING US GOOD FIGHTS THEN Y ARE WE GETTING RICH VS SILVA WHICH IS THE MOST DANGEROUS FIGHT RICH HAS HAD IN THE UFC....

AND WHILE WERE ON THE SUBJECT OF PROTECTING, Y DOESNT ANYBODY GIVE SHIT TO THE PRIDE PRES. WHEN HE PUTS 180 POUND CANS IN THE RING TO FIGHT WAND,HMMM INTERESTING NOBODY SAYS SHIT ABOUT THAT, HMM INTERESTING EVERYONE BLAMES DANA FOR NOT LETTING THE CHUCK WAND FIGHT HAPPEN WHEN HE ANOUNCED IT, BUT PRIDE WAS THE ONE WHO DIDNT LET THAT FIGHT HAPPEN NOT DANA,

INFACT WASNT IT CHUCK WHO WENT TO PRIDE AND FOUGHT 3 TIMES, HMMM INTERESTING HOW CHUCK DOES THAT BUT PRIDE WONT SEND OVER THERE BEST FIGHTER TO FIGHT ONCE...HMMM

IM TIERD OF EVERYONE BEIONG SO BIASED TO THE UFC. DANA PROTECTS HIS CHAMPS ITS FUCKIN LOGIC TO PROTECT YOUR BUISNESS ASSETS!!! AND PRIDE DOES IT TOO BUT I DONT SEE A SINGLE PERSON POINT THIS OUT..

Exactly.and Dana doesn't overly protect his fighters.He may throw them a bone every now and again ,but he still puts them up against top competition.How is GSP vs. Hughes,Rich vs. Silva,Chuck vs. Babalu easy fights for the champions?

[Afro]

Originally Posted by killerinstinct

What?Are you trying to act like Babalu wasn't deserving of a title now that he got laid out in the first round?When before that you were nearly positive he'd beat Chuck and couture was certainly deserving considering he was the former champion and had a win over Chuck.Jeremy Horn was a very dangerous fight for Chuck.He had previously beat Chuck and many people thought style wise he could beat Chuck again.

nearly positive? I said that Chuck would KO him in the first 3 rounds! I said Babalu would beat him if it left the 3rd round what are you talking about? And I do believe Babalu is deserving of a Title shot but I believe Chuck should be fighting Top 5 fighters now, and I dont see how Horn is a dangerous fight for Chuck.. Horns a natural middlweight with bad wrestling come on do the math.

[BigBanda]

Seriously I always wondered that.... If Chuck can go over to a Pride tourny with Pride Rules and in a ring not a cage then why wont they send Shogun or Silva over to UFC for 1 damn fight. Makes no sense to me. Chuck risked it 3 years ago and things didnt work out like he planned altough i think if it were today he just might win the damn thing. They need to work some damn thing out cause all the fans are itching to see a cross organization fight and you know damn sure theres a lot of money to be made off of it.

[CHUCKtheCHAMP]

Originally Posted by Afro Samurai

nearly positive? I said that Chuck would KO him in the first 3 rounds! I said Babalu would beat him if it left the 3rd round what are you talking about? And I do believe Babalu is deserving of a Title shot but I believe Chuck should be fighting Top 5 fighters now, and I dont see how Horn is a dangerous fight for Chuck.. Horns a natural middlweight with bad wrestling come on do the math.

YEAH JUST LIKE LINLAND IS A NATURAL MW AND HE SHOULD HAVE BEAT RAMPAGE....

[Afro]

Originally Posted by CHUCKtheCHAMP

YEAH JUST LIKE LINLAND IS A NATURAL MW AND HE SHOULD HAVE BEAT RAMPAGE....

Lindland lost that fight fair and square! no way did he win it even so Lindland matches up better with Rampage then Horn does with Chuck

its Wrestler vs Wrestler with Rampage/Lindland

its bad Wrestler vs Standup fighter with great takedown D with Chuck.. the fact that Horn lasted that long shows how good he is but he wasnt gonna win that fight with his wrestling skills.

[bmore_aki]

Originally Posted by Afro Samurai

nearly positive? I said that Chuck would KO him in the first 3 rounds! I said Babalu would beat him if it left the 3rd round what are you talking about? And I do believe Babalu is deserving of a Title shot but I believe Chuck should be fighting Top 5 fighters now, and I dont see how Horn is a dangerous fight for Chuck.. Horns a natural middlweight with bad wrestling come on do the math.

Afro, generally i appreciate your insights on the MMA and boxing game. But I'm not feelin you on this one dude. So help me out with a few things first, cause in principle I do agree that to be the called the best you should be competiting and BEATING the best.

Without independent international sanctioning body to crown real MMA World Champions I don't see elite fighters from different promotions fighting each other. Yeah its what the fans want but for the individual promotions, there is no real incentive.

I got a question or two for you.

Let's say Chuck fights more of the Top 5 LHW in the world from different promotions, do you envision these fights to be non-title fights?

If they are non-title fights how many should he take a year? How often does he get to defend is title against deserving UFC talent?
What happens if he gets injured? Will you have fights delayed months to wait for him to heal? Would u dare strip him if he can't make a mandatory defense (not likely)?

I don't want to see MMA champions defending their titles once or twice a year like professional boxers.

If it is a title fight, how do they manage the contract of the new champion? Does he split time to defend? How does he promote the different companies?

I do think these fights would be great money makers for all involved - gate, ppv, promotors, fighters. And I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THESE FIGHTS MYSELF.

Again, without an independent international sanctioning body...i don't really see these big fights happen across promotions.

[The Iceman]

I totally agree with bmore aki 110%. You other guys said Dana White was protecting Chuck but yet Chuck has fought the top competetion in the *UFC*. If Silva wants to come to the UFC and fight Chuck I am shure he would be more than happy to fight him but that is the point, they are in two different organizations who couldn't come to terms on a deal. Please fill me in on how Chuck is being protected!!!!!!!! Also Randy Couture isn't washed up and he wasn't when he fought Chuck, he picked through competition then got another shot at Chuck and lost again also I think a 2nd fight with Babalu was necessary and another fight with Tito is very necessary. Damn there are more Chuck haters than usual in the hous tonight