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[j.farrell]

Originally Posted by shenku68

I still think that a few boxers and boxing fans still view MMA as a brawl or barfight and that it does not require the techniques of the "sweet science".

MMA fighters use the more than techniques, brawn or skill to win fights. They use intelligence and heart. MMA fighters actually have to have a broader range of skills than a boxer to be successful.

MMA is reaching the mainstream and opinions will change once it is seen that fighters use the all aspects of the game to win.

The main reason that boxers are not flocking to MMA is the money. Not enough in MMA yet to draw them in.

i still dont think many boxers will crossover..it would be cool f they did but i dont know how well they would do..a good example is nishijima..his debut was against mark hunt..that is one of my favorite fights cuz it stayed standing..and nishijima looked great..hunt finally put him away in the 3rd but it was a good fight...then when nishijima fought cyborg i was like cool this should be another stand up war..but cyborg was like fuck it and took him down right away and pounded his ass out..and i was like shit..i really wanted to see him box more...cuz he is an excellent boxer..but he wont last long in mma if his fights keep going that route..pride should send him over to fight chuck..atleast we know it would stay sanding

[killerinstinct]

Originally Posted by j.farrell

have you ever looked at a boxers stance..they leave their lead leg out so they can move side to side and backwards...they plant there feet..so in mma when you plant your feet you end up on your head...i think also boxers train so hard for so long it might be a little harder to learn something new, than if you start out as a wrestler..learning how to throw a punch is alot easier than learning to defend a take down or a submission..im not saying a boxer cant learn. but i think they'd have a tough time...plus you know how sometimes when a wrestler ends up on his back in mma they freeze up??? some boxers might get knocked down and not think to protect themselves instinctively cuz they are used to getting a break when that happens..or alot of boxers get on all fours when they are trying to get back up...and thats rear naked choke time...

good points.

[AJL416AZ]

anybody see the K-1 fight where Alexey Ignashov knocked King Arthur Williams off his feet with the first leg kick?

thats why straight boxers dont fight MMA.

boxing is a big part of MMA, but if its all you can do, then why wouldnt you box for more money?

[Afro]

Originally Posted by killerinstinct

one dimensional boxers couldn't hang in mma.When it was a one dimensional boxer vs. a bjj guy or a one dimensional boxer vs. a one dimensional wrestler the boxer got dominated with a few exceptions.You could argue that there has never been an extremely successful boxer(in boxing) to join mma ,but if the greatest boxer in the world came into mma as a one dimensional fighter he wouldn't have that great of a career unless he cross trained.

I love how you keep sayin "one dimensional" its getting obvious that you dont watch boxing you just dont like it, your fists arent your only dimension.

[Afro]

Originally Posted by j.farrell

have you ever looked at a boxers stance..they leave their lead leg out so they can move side to side and backwards...they plant there feet..so in mma when you plant your feet you end up on your head...i think also boxers train so hard for so long it might be a little harder to learn something new, than if you start out as a wrestler..learning how to throw a punch is alot easier than learning to defend a take down or a submission..im not saying a boxer cant learn. but i think they'd have a tough time...plus you know how sometimes when a wrestler ends up on his back in mma they freeze up??? some boxers might get knocked down and not think to protect themselves instinctively cuz they are used to getting a break when that happens..or alot of boxers get on all fours when they are trying to get back up...and thats rear naked choke time...

when in boxing do they ever plant there feet? Your suppose to stay on the balls of your feet and keep them moving

a boxing stance is balanced, I think a boxer in MMA who cross trained would be a damn good MMA fighter

take a very good boxer, give him a black belt in JJ and you know what you have? the best standup fighter in MMA with a ground game, not many in MMA can hang with a boxer standing.. only the Kickboxers can.. like a Mirko Cro-cop

someone like Chuck Liddell would get his ass handed to him, the Muay thai fighters maybe it depends on how good there muay thai is

but its simple if your not an expert at your craft standing its gonna be hard as hell to beat another expert, and all good boxers are experts at standing.

they would most definently have to cross-train though.. but if a boxer came in with minimal cross-training think about it

CHRIS LEBEN is in the UFC doing well, why cant a boxer have that same sucess? just look at Lebens standup game!

Tim Sylvia is HW champ, his skills.. who even knows what kind of skills he has the guy wouldnt be able to standup with a good boxer and he'd get KO'd before he could take one down

theres a lot of unskilled fighters in the UFC that say a boxer could of minimal success but no boxer would be very good at MMA unless they cross-trained.

Also its funny how some boxing-haters believe a boxer would never suceed in MMA when in fact guys like Chris Lytle, and Vitor Belfort tried there hand at boxing and couldnt make it there? so what does that say!

an MMA fighter has less of a chance at boxing then a boxer does at MMA

[prophet665]

Originally Posted by Afro Samurai

Also its funny how some boxing-haters believe a boxer would never suceed in MMA when in fact guys like Chris Lytle, and Vitor Belfort tried there hand at boxing and couldnt make it there? so what does that say!

It says that a guy was not that great at boxing, but was a great fighter. Similar to guys that can't run track very well, but end up becoming excellent running backs in football. Being a running back requires you to be more well rounded than a 200 meter dash runner.

Boxing uses a lot of varied skills, but is still a "style". MMA fighters have to train in many different styles, and each style has its own set of skills.

[Afro]

Originally Posted by prophet665

It says that a guy was not that great at boxing, but was a great fighter. Similar to guys that can't run track very well, but end up becoming excellent running backs in football. Being a running back requires you to be more well rounded than a 200 meter dash runner.

Boxing uses a lot of varied skills, but is still a "style". MMA fighters have to train in many different styles, and each style has its own set of skills.

Thats all im sayin! I dont understand ppl sayin that a boxer cant suceed in MMA when MMA fighters tried to suceed in Boxing and failed.. neither can do eachothers sport, the only reason I can see a boxer having more sucess in MMA is because they can fight guys like Chris Leben, but if MMA became like boxing where all the crappy fighters were weaved out and you only knew/care about the good ones then it be a different story.

[kowarrior]

If Mirko CroCop, a former K1 fighter, can learn takedown defense in a span of a year and find success in Pride, then why can't a pro boxer? Give a boxer one year to learn the ground game with Fabricio Werdum as his instructor/sparring partner then we might see the boxer do some fantastic things in MMA.
But you can't just drag a boxer out of the boxing ring and throw him into MMA. You have to learn the fundamentals in any sport you compete in.
The boxer will get choked out immediately if he doesn't land a good punch before being taken down.
Look how easily it was to take down CroCop 4 years ago. Now notice how difficult it is to even put him on a knee. It's called LEARNING baby!!! Learning to adapt. As Bruce Lee said.
Look at the difference between Chuck Liddell in the 1st Couture fight, compared to Chuck in the 2nd and 3rd Couture fights. Couture had no clue how to take this guy down because Chuck learned to adapt to Couture's style, to use his feet, to stay on the outside and to measure distance and to pop Couture as he came in. All the things that Chuck didn't do in the 1st Couture fight.

[j.farrell]

Originally Posted by kowarrior

If Mirko CroCop, a former K1 fighter, can learn takedown defense in a span of a year and find success in Pride, then why can't a pro boxer? Give a boxer one year to learn the ground game with Fabricio Werdum as his instructor/sparring partner then we might see the boxer do some fantastic things in MMA.
But you can't just drag a boxer out of the boxing ring and throw him into MMA. You have to learn the fundamentals in any sport you compete in.
The boxer will get choked out immediately if he doesn't land a good punch before being taken down.
Look how easily it was to take down CroCop 4 years ago. Now notice how difficult it is to even put him on a knee. It's called LEARNING baby!!! Learning to adapt. As Bruce Lee said.
Look at the difference between Chuck Liddell in the 1st Couture fight, compared to Chuck in the 2nd and 3rd Couture fights. Couture had no clue how to take this guy down because Chuck learned to adapt to Couture's style, to use his feet, to stay on the outside and to measure distance and to pop Couture as he came in. All the things that Chuck didn't do in the 1st Couture fight.

i dont remember mirko ever having bad take down defense...

[j.farrell]

Originally Posted by Afro Samurai

Thats all im sayin! I dont understand ppl sayin that a boxer cant suceed in MMA when MMA fighters tried to suceed in Boxing and failed.. neither can do eachothers sport, the only reason I can see a boxer having more sucess in MMA is because they can fight guys like Chris Leben, but if MMA became like boxing where all the crappy fighters were weaved out and you only knew/care about the good ones then it be a different story.

im not saying that a boxer cant suceed in mma..obviously if you cross train you can suceed..what i am saying is alot of boxers would have trouble making the transition...and alot of boxers plant their feet when hey are fighting off the ropes or if they take the center of the ring...roy jones always used to plant his feet when he did the wind up jab...