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[JMH]

Why doesn't Thiago or Rashad deserve a title shot over Machida?

[hunterkiller]

Originally Posted by foundstarr

Hmm, you make Soku sound like the Arona and little nog wins don't exist. He's beaten 2 top 15 fighters. Not ready for a title shot yeah, but soku isn't "green" I call that trial by fire by any means.

Lyoto has FOR SURE, earned a title shot. IMO Rampage has the only style that can counter Lyoto.

EDIT: NO WAY should Lyoto have to fight JArdine, JArdine has lost twice in the past year by visious knockout. He's becoming a human highlight reel.

I've neg'd you for negging me so many times but I positive rep'd you for this. This is spot on. Machida is the only clear cut option at LHW. I'm not jumping on the Machida bandwagon yet, and I think Chuck or Wanderlei have what it takes to beat him, I think he has earned the next title shot regardless. Chuck and Wanderlei still have a way to go before they get a shot.

Originally Posted by JMH

Why doesn't Thiago or Rashad deserve a title shot over Machida?

Mendes, Alexander, Irvin isn't exactly Ortiz and Sokojdjou.

Rashad has one win in the last 18 months to Michael Bisping. I don't say that's title shot worthy.

[Bran]

i can definitely see wanderlei getting a shot. say rampage wins, then they're champ will have avenged two losses to a guy that beat him. say wand wins, then they'll have the opportunity to have chuck rematch wand for the belt which is a huge main event.

Machida probably deserves the next shot, but i dunno if he will get it. i bet they'll rule in favor of chuck or wand.

[foundstarr]

Originally Posted by thecoylewis

I've neg'd you for negging me so many times but I positive rep'd you for this. This is spot on. Machida is the only clear cut option at LHW. I'm not jumping on the Machida bandwagon yet, and I think Chuck or Wanderlei have what it takes to beat him, I think he has earned the next title shot regardless. Chuck and Wanderlei still have a way to go before they get a shot.



Mendes, Alexander, Irvin isn't exactly Ortiz and Sokojdjou.

Rashad has one win in the last 18 months to Michael Bisping. I don't say that's title shot worthy.

Well Coy, at first you were very combative so I neged you alot. Apparantly we've both mellowed.

In any case, we will always disagree IMO. (I have the polar opposites in fav fighters). Its inevitable... :P

[hunterkiller]

Originally Posted by Bran

i can definitely see wanderlei getting a shot. say rampage wins, then they're champ will have avenged two losses to a guy that beat him. say wand wins, then they'll have the opportunity to have chuck rematch wand for the belt which is a huge main event.

Machida probably deserves the next shot, but i dunno if he will get it. i bet they'll rule in favor of chuck or wand.

Wanderlei has one win in how many years? There's no way the UFC gives him a title shot without at least 2 more wins. I mean, before he beat Jardine, Dana all but gave him an ultimatum. Beating just Jardine doesn't make up for 3 losses in a row when it comes to title matches.

[Cromm]

The LHW division is pretty crazy right now due to the fact that the big names have all recently taken a fall. You have Wanderlai, Liddell, Jardine, and Shogun, as the well established top tier fighters they have all experienced at least one defeat in their last couple of fights.

You have Machida, and Thiago who are undefeated although some would say untried. Machida whose best wins before Tito was a huge(or very small) BJ Penn, Stephen Bonner and Rich Franklin mainly to decisions. Thiago Silva on ther other hand hand has been brutaly Koing people in his last 5 fights(gen undercard fights) with a KO over James Irvin and Houston Alexander. They are the legitimate contendors in my opinion. They should fight to determine the #! contendor spot.

The reason Forrest is getting the next title shot is simple, he is as marketable as all hell. American Audiences seem to just now be begining to accept non Americans as champions. A. Silva got booed to shit at first, after a couple of fights though everyone was swinging from his jock with both hands firmly attached Brazillian or not. Big Nog has gotten a shot at the Tuf with Mir if I am not mistaken and that should actually help the other Brazilian fighters.

[GODKING7]

Originally Posted by thecoylewis

In my mind, Lyoto Machida is the #2 contender for the LHW title behind only Forrest Griffin. He is actually more deserving than Griffin of the title shot. I see tons of people in different threads saying Machida should fight this person or Machida should fight that person.

The fact of the matter is Rampage and Forrest are fighting in less than a month. The winner of that fight, barring an injury, will have to defend that title before the end of the year. They will have to have a challenger waiting for the winner and Machida is the only fighter right now that fits the bill. Breaking down the title picture, there is no one else. Chuck isn't ready for another shot yet, neither is Wanderlei. Rashad hasn't earned it yet, Shogun is hurt, Jardine just lost, so who's left, only Machida. He doesn't have time to fight anyone else before he gets a title shot.

If you think Machida needs another fight first, then who should get the next title fight? And Wanderlei doesn't count because Wanderlei isn't getting the next title fight, we all know that.

as far as iam concern wandy beat the #1 contender very convingly machida made a top 20 lhw look dumb but unconvingly wandy has destroyed the champ twice and machida has not beaten or faced a top lhw ever so imho its very easy wandy vs the winner of page/griffin at ufc 88 or 89 and machida 2 face chuck, t.silva or jardine if he wins he`s the next one but only then!!!!

[Robthom]

Originally Posted by thecoylewis

In my mind, Lyoto Machida is the #2 contender for the LHW title behind only Forrest Griffin. He is actually more deserving than Griffin of the title shot...

Agreed. There are plenty of fights I would like to see him in, but he's done plenty enough to get the shot next. No reason for him to clear out the division first before getting his shot.
Leave some dream fights like shogun (if he hasn't gone vitor on us), Vanderlei, liddell, Vera, etc for either title defenses or for reclimbing the ladder if he loses.

[Diegonightmare]

Originally Posted by foundstarr

Hmm, you make Soku sound like the Arona and little nog wins don't exist

Oh no, they happened for sure...FOURTEEN and SIXTEEN months ago respectively in an entirely different organization on another continent.

I'm not putting Sokoudjou - or for that matter, Lyoto - down. I'm saying that Soko was bottom top 10 in the world and that he was Lyoto's biggest win. In my book that doesn't qualify you for "clearcut #1 status" as many in this thread have accorded him.

[Diegonightmare]

Originally Posted by Robthom

Agreed. There are plenty of fights I would like to see him in, but he's done plenty enough to get the shot next.

Again - what is "plenty enough"? Beating Sokoudjou or decisioning Tito? I want to understand the thought process.