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[hunterkiller]

Originally Posted by Palma

eek out some wins? Besides his split decision win over Deigo, his other three decisions were unanimous and his other 4 wins were 3 RNC's and 1 over Alves...

MMA fans have the memories of a goldfish...

My point wasn't to be a fickle fan or to criticize Fitch in any way. My point was, Fitch came in and got a lot of decision wins and it didn't exactly work to his favor. Just look at Yushin Okami. He's the only one in the division worth mentioning that hasn't gotten his crack at the champ and he still doesn't have a title match scheduled yet. On the other hand, Anderson Silva came in and walked right through Leben and immediately got a title match. Same with Rampage. It may not be a fair comparison but these 2 guys brought hype with them. Fitch didn't do himself any favors by not creating a little for himself. I actually like Fitch, hope he beats GSP, but I do think GSP takes this one.

[kingrobert]

Originally Posted by Dimson

In that fight, he was fighting not to lose instead of fighting to win. Which almost got him caught in a triangle.

He almost got Ko'ed to. The standup is where GSP is goign to pick Fitch apart. I like Fitch but everything he does GSP does better. Another huge advantage Fitch wont have in this fight is being the bigger stronger fighter.

GSP wins by TKO in the 2nd or 3rd round. I cant wait since I will be there.

[sandywh]

GSP will have to go all 5 rounds, barring a doctor stoppage. If that's the case, I do not like St. Pierre's chances of winning. I highly doubt GSP can sub Fitch. Whoever said that GSP will be stronger than Fitch is crazy. Fitch walks around at around between 190-205 and will likely be 185-190 by the time he steps into the octagon. GSP will also not be able to Fitch on his back. GSP might have the edge in striking, but Fitch's defense and counter punching is pretty good.

[Brutus]

Originally Posted by sandywh

GSP will have to go all 5 rounds, barring a doctor stoppage. If that's the case, I do not like St. Pierre's chances of winning. I highly doubt GSP can sub Fitch. Whoever said that GSP will be stronger than Fitch is crazy. Fitch walks around at around between 190-205 and will likely be 185-190 by the time he steps into the octagon. GSP will also not be able to Fitch on his back. GSP might have the edge in striking, but Fitch's defense and counter punching is pretty good.

Yes, thank you.

[Lord Faust]

Originally Posted by sandywh

GSP will also not be able to Fitch on his back.

There is zero historical evidence to support this. He's dominated every high-level wrestler he has faced, and has taken them all down. Fitch won't be rag dolled by any means, but I find your comment unfounded.

[goldberg_52403]

This fight wont stay standing up, Fitch would be nuts to stand with GSP.

As crazy as may sound, I'm still stuck on 2nd round sub by Fitch, most likely a RNC. Of course GSP could go to town on him and never look back.

Anybody mind to explain how Sig Bets work? Perhaps those only occur the week or so before the event.

[blazeallwayz]

After witnessing GSP out-wrestle the likes of Matt Hughes, Sean Sherk, and Josh Koscheck, I really don't see him having trouble taking Jon Fitch down and keeping him on his back. He maintains control well from the top position and constantly looks to pass the guard and keep busy. That is... if that is what he chooses to do.

[Palma]

Originally Posted by thecoylewis

My point wasn't to be a fickle fan or to criticize Fitch in any way. My point was, Fitch came in and got a lot of decision wins and it didn't exactly work to his favor. Just look at Yushin Okami. He's the only one in the division worth mentioning that hasn't gotten his crack at the champ and he still doesn't have a title match scheduled yet. On the other hand, Anderson Silva came in and walked right through Leben and immediately got a title match. Same with Rampage. It may not be a fair comparison but these 2 guys brought hype with them. Fitch didn't do himself any favors by not creating a little for himself. I actually like Fitch, hope he beats GSP, but I do think GSP takes this one.

Right, but the difference between Okami and Fitch is Fitch hasn't lost and he hasn't lost in a much more competitve division. If Okami had won 8 straight fights (shit if he won 4 straight fights) he'd certainly have already fought for the title.

I agree that Fitch isn't exciting to most because most people can't appreciate grappling since they really don't understand what is happening... and I agree that Fitch isn't marketable, but it doesn't really matter if people consider him boring as long as he keeps winning. People may eventually wake up and realize you don't have to be a sloppy ass boxer that blocks punches with your face like Forrest does to be an effective fighter.

Originally Posted by Lord Faust

There is zero historical evidence to support this. He's dominated every high-level wrestler he has faced, and has taken them all down. Fitch won't be rag dolled by any means, but I find your comment unfounded.

Unfounded? Besides when shot in Hughes in their first fight and then Hip-tossed Hughes in their thrid fight, when has GSP dominated a high-level wrestler with wrestling???

When he used those leg trips on Koscheck? When took Sherk down who has no college wrestling expericen what-so-ever?

If he actually set up shots and took Koscheck down with a double leg or a high-crotch lift (like Koscheck did to GSP) I would totally agree with you, but GSP's wrestling is more over-rated then any other aspect of MMA.

If he takes Fitch to his back it will be a bigger deal then catching Koscheck's leg after a kick...

[Bigshanks666]

Ive never really cared for Fitch, hes boring to watch and has a personality simliar to that of a cardboard box. IMO GSP will dominate him.

[Lord Faust]

Originally Posted by Palma

Unfounded? Besides when shot in Hughes in their first fight and then Hip-tossed Hughes in their thrid fight, when has GSP dominated a high-level wrestler with wrestling???

When he used those leg trips on Koscheck? When took Sherk down who has no college wrestling expericen what-so-ever?

If he actually set up shots and took Koscheck down with a double leg or a high-crotch lift (like Koscheck did to GSP) I would totally agree with you, but GSP's wrestling is more over-rated then any other aspect of MMA.

If he takes Fitch to his back it will be a bigger deal then catching Koscheck's leg after a kick...

I'm not stating GSP is God's gift to wrestling, but he has handled -- and dominated -- good wrestlers. I could care less what he uses to put Fitch on the ground; a sweep, a judo throw, classic double-leg, or even a good old fashion punch in the face; I could care less. The fact is, GSP has demonstrated his ability to out-grapple wrestlers (in MMA fights) and I don't see any indication this fight will be any different.

I'm trying to argue the point without dismissing Fitch. I think he's top-notch competition and him winning would not be the upset many think it would be. (I favour GSP but not ignorantly.)