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[franco727]

If you go by what happens in the octagon then i think without a doubt, but since he did miss weight i think he needs to fight one more time what do you guys think?

[hunterkiller]

Originally Posted by franco727

If you go by what happens in the octagon then i think without a doubt, but since he did miss weight i think he needs to fight one more time what do you guys think?

A catchweight fight shouldn't move you up in the rankings of your weight division especially if the fight was a catchweight because you didn't make weight. Injuries or not, no one goes into a fight 100 percent healthy and 99 percent of the time, they make weight. Giving Alves the next title shot would set a bad precedent. What would people say if Lutter came out and said, "well I didn't make weight because I was hurt and I only missed it by one pound." It just leaves too much room for excuses. You either make weight or you don't. You don't get rewarded for failing to make weight especially when you've been punished for using diaretics in the past to aid you in making weight.

With that said, Alves is at the top of the 170 pound ladder with few other guys. With talk of a BJ Penn-GSP fight on New Year's, there is plenty of time for Alves to prove that he belongs at the top so I say have him fight Koscheck or Diego first and if he wins, then give him a title shot next year sometime. But the thing to remember, in a title fight, you don't get the extra pound that they allow you. And Alves is a BIG 170. Will that play into it later on down the road and how will the UFC handle putting a guy in a main event slot that has shown in the past that he can't make weight. The UFC definitely doesn't want to get to the weigh-ins and see that their main event title fight isn't a title fight anymore because someone didn't make the weight limit. It's a slippery slope.

[ChuckBooty]

Originally Posted by Palma

Yeah, I'm with you on this... I'm not going to shit Alves for stepping up injured on short notice and missing weight by 3 pounds, but at the same time I do think it's lame to talk about a title shot after not making weight. Like I said, shit happens but don't pretend like it didn't at the same time.

Personally, eventhough Koscheck lost to GSP I think Koscheck and Alves should fight for the number one contender spot.

Agreed. I don't want to ruin Alves career over this (vis a vis Travis Lutter) but he shouldn't get an immediate title shot either. One more fight before the title shot (and making weight, of course)

[travtera]

Originally Posted by thecoylewis

A catchweight fight shouldn't move you up in the rankings of your weight division especially if the fight was a catchweight because you didn't make weight.

Not trying to pick on you because I do agree with most of what you said but if you use this logic how does BJ Penn deserve a title shot? He's 0-2 in his last 2 WW fights. And do guys that fight in EliteXC's 175lbs WW division get ranked seperately? I think you gotta look at the big picture in cases like these. Thiago's win over Hughes does count and should move Thiago up the WW rankings. Should he get the next immediate shot? Hell no. Give him one more fight to make weight in to put some distance between this one and a title fight. I think the winner of Diego/Luigi is a good choice timing wise, with them fighting later this month. BTW, when/who is Kos fighting next?

[CJRockstar]

Originally Posted by travtera

Not trying to pick on you because I do agree with most of what you said but if you use this logic how does BJ Penn deserve a title shot? He's 0-2 in his last 2 WW fights. And do guys that fight in EliteXC's 175lbs WW division get ranked seperately? I think you gotta look at the big picture in cases like these. Thiago's win over Hughes does count and should move Thiago up the WW rankings. Should he get the next immediate shot? Hell no. Give him one more fight to make weight in to put some distance between this one and a title fight. I think the winner of Diego/Luigi is a good choice timing wise, with them fighting later this month. BTW, when/who is Kos fighting next?

kos fights july 5th vs chris lytle

I also think if luigi loses that fight, he may be termed

[kc56]

Originally Posted by Ramma

Agreed. I rank Koscheck above Alves right now, but not by much. I think Alves and Koscheck need to fight.

I agree with you and Palma 100% on this. Also, although it may be semantics, Alves win over Hughes was a catch-weight fight, not welterweight. I think he needs to fight Koscheck and make weight for that fight. Otherwise it sends the message that making weight is not all that important.

[Beowulf]

Originally Posted by lilp86

Check the sig it shows the knee from every angle it deffinitly caught him in the jaw which is why he didnt even put his hands up and ate another huge punch. Everyone needs to get over the fact he missed weight hes not the first fighter to do it and he wont be the last give the man the benifit of the doubt he said he was injured if he doesnt make weight again and it becomes a problem then bash away but until then the fact remains theres no other fighter that deserves the shot more than Thiago and theres no one else who poses a bigger threat to GSP imo

watch hughes shoulder blades, the knee might of grazed his chin IMO its obvious he hits him square on the shoulder

[hunterkiller]

Originally Posted by travtera

Not trying to pick on you because I do agree with most of what you said but if you use this logic how does BJ Penn deserve a title shot? He's 0-2 in his last 2 WW fights. And do guys that fight in EliteXC's 175lbs WW division get ranked seperately? I think you gotta look at the big picture in cases like these. Thiago's win over Hughes does count and should move Thiago up the WW rankings. Should he get the next immediate shot? Hell no. Give him one more fight to make weight in to put some distance between this one and a title fight. I think the winner of Diego/Luigi is a good choice timing wise, with them fighting later this month. BTW, when/who is Kos fighting next?

BJ Penn is the exception to the rule simply because he's a champ in another division. Right or wrong, there is a big difference in a guy getting a title shot because he is the champ of another division and a guy getting a shot after he missed weight in his last fight. Dan Henderson got a shot at 185 after losing his UFC debut because he was champ of a different organization. Rampage got his after 1 win over subpar competition because of his star power and history with Liddell. Their reasons for title shots are alot better in arguing their worth for a title shot than Alves not making weight because he hurt his ankle.