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[kaisq11]

Originally Posted by kowarrior

Were you guys blind? Tito did the grave digging crap AND did the double handed flip off right to Ken's face when Ken was being helped up by his camp. And then when Tito's team whispered in his ear, only then did he embrace Ken when Ken asked for a handshake.
Tito didn't show respect out of his own will, his camp had to convince him to show respect. He's still a pathetic piece of monkey sh*t as a human being, he showed zero respect to Shamrock. You don't parade disrespectfully, flip off your opponent and then walk away and THEN hug your opponent after your team convinces you to.
I hope Chuck laughs in Tito's face AND gives him the middle finger while Tito is laying on his back in his own blood in December after Chuck brutally buries him a 2nd time.

I agree. Ortiz"s camp convinced him to shake his hand. And you don't disrespect a fighter like what ortiz did

[j.farrell]

Originally Posted by kowarrior

Were you guys blind? Tito did the grave digging crap AND did the double handed flip off right to Ken's face when Ken was being helped up by his camp. And then when Tito's team whispered in his ear, only then did he embrace Ken when Ken asked for a handshake.
Tito didn't show respect out of his own will, his camp had to convince him to show respect. He's still a pathetic piece of monkey sh*t as a human being, he showed zero respect to Shamrock. You don't parade disrespectfully, flip off your opponent and then walk away and THEN hug your opponent after your team convinces you to.
I hope Chuck laughs in Tito's face AND gives him the middle finger while Tito is laying on his back in his own blood in December after Chuck brutally buries him a 2nd time.

i didnt say that it wasnt fucked up..and i think that when ken was first coming over to him he thought he was going to do what he usually does and try to push him or something..what im saying is that once he realized that ken was coming to congradulate him he showed him respect..and then he screwed it up by pointing out his t-shirt..and i would love to see chuck do the grave digger to tito..but i dont know what you guys are talking about..tito doesnt do the gravedigger when it goes to decision..and alot of titos fights have gone to decision..he didnt do against belfort or couture..so i dont see how you can say he does it all the time..

[Afro]

Originally Posted by j.farrell

i didnt say that it wasnt fucked up..and i think that when ken was first coming over to him he thought he was going to do what he usually does and try to push him or something..what im saying is that once he realized that ken was coming to congradulate him he showed him respect..and then he screwed it up by pointing out his t-shirt..and i would love to see chuck do the grave digger to tito..but i dont know what you guys are talking about..tito doesnt do the gravedigger when it goes to decision..and alot of titos fights have gone to decision..he didnt do against belfort or couture..so i dont see how you can say he does it all the time..

but after the first fight, Ken was talkin nothin but good things about Tito and raised his hand as well.. Ken always shows respect to the winner of a fight so why would Tito assume that he was gonna push him? if you notice only time Ken overreacts is when Tito runs his mouth at him.

[tapper]

f that, these guys train like animals to beat the shit out of each other, and ken did his share of shit talking too. after 3 fights in a row, thinking tito or anyone can turn off that intensity right away is just not do-able, imo, you can ask mark coleman.

[Jagman]

Were all of you just as offended when Randy spanked Tito?

What about when Nick Diaz bumped Diego's head with his own head during the staredown before the fight?

When Wanderlei does his little dance after every victory?

What about Diego's ridiculous stare down that begins the day before at the weigh ins and lasts till the fight?

There are many other examples of fighters doing things as well. You guys way are too sensative. Football players dance, baseball players stand at home plate and admire home run balls, basketball players scream and point after dunks and blocks, etc.... that's just the way it is in 2006. These guys know these things help identify them and give them exposure which helps them make money through fans and sponsorships. While I don't really care for the antics myself, I have no real problem with it if it is what they choose to do. As long as they fight a clean fight, or play a clean play, does it really matter that they danced before or after?

Tito has always done the gravedigger thing, it was not just for Ken. Also, if you ask me Ken has been just as disrespectful to Tito given the fact that he had already had his a$$ kicked twice by Tito, yet he still refused to acknowledge that they were valid wins. Instead Ken talked about how he is better but he had a torn ACL, or the ref stopped it early, or Tito is till a punk, blah, blah, blah.

Bottomline is when you lose, be a man and accept your loss. Don't make excuses. Give the other guy credit for the fight whether you like him personally or not. That is classy. Ken has never done that before this fight. That is disrepectful.

[Thebestever]

Very well said Jagman, honestly guys after being a fan of fighting of any sort for over 15 years now I must say who cares how someone acts after a fight? Mike Tyson is known as the most gracious guy in the history of sports whom after he knocked out his opponents would go over and hold and hug and praise his opponent. But Mike Tyson has the worst rep ever!

Also, can you blame Tito for acting that way? The last time he did won Ken charged him. So it wasn't untill he realized Shamrock wanted to end the feud that he acted that way.

Lastly, every fighter in the UFC has their arrogant cocky celeberation afterwards. What about Chuck's little arms up in the air scream after every win? I think everyone needs to stop this Tito is cocky crap

[Bobcat1]

I'm not sure how to judge Tito. He, like Shamrock, started in the UFC back when it was more of a spectacle than a sport. The organization was chasing after trashtalking fighters like Abbot and Ferrazzo, because they loved the contraversy these fighters created. Their disrespectful attitudes definitely drummed up sales. I think the feud between Shamrock and Ortiz started originally because Ortiz was in Abbot's camp, and Abbot had had some choice words for Bollinger, who was from the Lion's Den, and then Metzger, also of Lion's Den, tapped Tito out in a surprise submission in their first bout.

Even so, Tito was the one who didn't let it go, and he kept talking trash even after Shamrock was no longer a contender.

I do believe Tito's behavior on the UFC show was partially motivated by PR.

[iced]

Originally Posted by BigBanda

Exactly what I was thinking... well said!

i don't think that the gravedigging celebration is bad at all, but to flip the guy off like that when he's down is just lame. ken stated @ the weigh in that he wanted to burry the hatchet...and the guy is a legend, so it's just plain disrespect. ken did go out with a bunch of losses...but he went out with true class last night
i couldn't ever see chuck flippin off tito after he ko's him......but i sure as hell hope that tito's jaw needs to be wired shut after he's ko'd so he can't run his mouth for a little while.

[chungt79]

Originally Posted by Jagman

Were all of you just as offended when Randy spanked Tito?

What about when Nick Diaz bumped Diego's head with his own head during the staredown before the fight?

When Wanderlei does his little dance after every victory?

What about Diego's ridiculous stare down that begins the day before at the weigh ins and lasts till the fight?

There are many other examples of fighters doing things as well. You guys way are too sensative. Football players dance, baseball players stand at home plate and admire home run balls, basketball players scream and point after dunks and blocks, etc.... that's just the way it is in 2006. These guys know these things help identify them and give them exposure which helps them make money through fans and sponsorships. While I don't really care for the antics myself, I have no real problem with it if it is what they choose to do. As long as they fight a clean fight, or play a clean play, does it really matter that they danced before or after?

Tito has always done the gravedigger thing, it was not just for Ken. Also, if you ask me Ken has been just as disrespectful to Tito given the fact that he had already had his a$$ kicked twice by Tito, yet he still refused to acknowledge that they were valid wins. Instead Ken talked about how he is better but he had a torn ACL, or the ref stopped it early, or Tito is till a punk, blah, blah, blah.

Bottomline is when you lose, be a man and accept your loss. Don't make excuses. Give the other guy credit for the fight whether you like him personally or not. That is classy. Ken has never done that before this fight. That is disrepectful.

when someone dances or jumps onto the cage, that's called celebration. Flipping someone off is an insult. Can you guys not distinguish the two?

Attitude is obviously different from pre-fights to post-fights. they need to keep an mental edge over their opponents before the fight, but it is all different when the fight is settled. As much of an asshole is Frank Trigg, he always respected the winners after talking soem serious shit befroe the fight.

When was the last time you saw someone praise their upcoming opponent in UFC? Thats ridiculous. but when the fight is over, you are expected the give other guy the credit.

[j.farrell]

Originally Posted by Thebestever

Very well said Jagman, honestly guys after being a fan of fighting of any sort for over 15 years now I must say who cares how someone acts after a fight? Mike Tyson is known as the most gracious guy in the history of sports whom after he knocked out his opponents would go over and hold and hug and praise his opponent. But Mike Tyson has the worst rep ever!

Also, can you blame Tito for acting that way? The last time he did won Ken charged him. So it wasn't untill he realized Shamrock wanted to end the feud that he acted that way.

Lastly, every fighter in the UFC has their arrogant cocky celeberation afterwards. What about Chuck's little arms up in the air scream after every win? I think everyone needs to stop this Tito is cocky crap

thats what im saying..maybe the first fight ken raised his hand..but there have been plenty of times were tito was being non confrontational and ken got in his shit..they are both at fault..and imo tito was disrespectful with the gravedigger thing..but im glad he raised kens arm when he realized ken didnt want to beef anymore..