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[ArMnHC]

Originally Posted by KcMizzou

When it happens, I hope Diaz kicks the living shit out of him.

Noons is a punk.

my vote is for the exact opposite

[subman]

Originally Posted by Mr. Raider

Stopping a fight because of a cut doesnt mean you beat the man. Say what you want, but to talk smack the way noons is doing is just ridiculous. Diaz and other JJ guys take a beating in fights and still pull out victories. They have to do it again or noons needs to Shut the Fuck Up. You cant talk smack on a fight stopped by a cut, Its chickenshit. I'm quickly starting to not like noons, I'm actually growing tired of the whole situation.

Still waiting for someone to TKO, KO, or submit Nick Diaz, because it hasn't happened yet, period.

Noons can throw up all the pictures he wants. He has been KTFO. Diaz hasn't. That is the record, that is the truth

If Noons can stop Diaz by more than cuts, fine. Until then STFU. Just my opinion, but NO ONE has stopped Diaz by anything but cuts or decision, so his interview is crap.

[POINDEXTER]

Originally Posted by chungt79

This is so absurd. Everything Noons says is right. Diaz doesn't deserve a title shot, especially missing his weight in his last fight. Ducking him? You have got to be kidding me. Noons beat the crap out of Diaz in their first fight. If the fight went on, nothing much would be different based on how the fight was going. Dian definitely wasn't going to beat Noons on his feet and he looked helpless on his takedown attempts. There is always a chance that fight may hit the ground and Diaz will have the advantage there obviously. But the way Noons was dominating Diaz in that fight, you can't fault Noons for forcing the stoppage.

I don't see how it is absurd. Noons had the better striking for one round where none of the strikes could even be considered close to presenting a KO or forcing a TKO. Noons had better boxing, for one round, and cut Diaz. Diaz also took Noons down twice, so I don't see how he was helpless on his attempts. The cut stopped the fight. I can't see how this one round could be considered conclusive for what could have been a 5 round fight. In my experience, fights tend to have some dynamism and it is in no way unusual for fights to go back and forth in terms of momentum.

Noons won - that is indisputable. What is also indisputable is that he won because of a cut. I see no reason why the rematch shouldn't happen. For at least fifty percent of the fans the first fight didn't decide anything in any convincing fashion. Why not put the arguments for and against the outcome to rest? The only answer I can see is that Noons isn't sure of his own ability. I've never seen somebody celebrate a victory so enthusiastically when they won due to a cut and a doctor's decision. Usually in that situation even the victor would have preferred a different outcome. I guess Noons will take what he can get.

[Severn]

Originally Posted by POINDEXTER

Noons won - that is indisputable. What is also indisputable is that he won because of a cut. I see no reason why the rematch shouldn't happen. For at least fifty percent of the fans the first fight didn't decide anything in any convincing fashion. Why not put the arguments for and against the outcome to rest?

Noons was also winning before the fight was stopped. That also can't be disputed. I'm no Diaz fan but he's done nothing to earn a rematch. He's trying to hype himself into a title shot he doesn't deserve. Once he wins a fight or two more and makes weight each time then I'm all for him getting a shot to then prove who's the better man.

If Diaz loses again is he going to keep hounding Noons? He doesn't take loses very well. Diego Sanchez beat him and he was totally being a girl about it. That's Giaz for you.

[ArMnHC]

Originally Posted by subman

Still waiting for someone to TKO, KO, or submit Nick Diaz, because it hasn't happened yet, period.

Noons can throw up all the pictures he wants. He has been KTFO. Diaz hasn't. That is the record, that is the truth

If Noons can stop Diaz by more than cuts, fine. Until then STFU. Just my opinion, but NO ONE has stopped Diaz by anything but cuts or decision, so his interview is crap.

um yes it has, his name is Jeremy Jackson!

[POINDEXTER]

Originally Posted by Severn

Noons was also winning before the fight was stopped. That also can't be disputed. I'm no Diaz fan but he's done nothing to earn a rematch. He's trying to hype himself into a title shot he doesn't deserve. Once he wins a fight or two more and makes weight each time then I'm all for him getting a shot to then prove who's the better man.

That's what I said, Noons won the first round of a five round fight, he was ahead for one fifth of the potential fight. The fight was then stopped due to the cut. Nothing convincing or dominating about that, IMO.

We obviously disagree. Since I think the fight was less than conclusive, I don't agree that Diaz needs to prove that he is in the same league or of the same caliber as a fighter as Noons. Nothing was proved to me - and for the record I've never been a huge fan of Diaz. As far as what Diaz has done to deserve a rematch, he has won and finished two fights since then.

[rivethead]

Noons just lost me. He's always played the solid guy, the guy above the drama, and now...for better or worse...he's caught up in this. I hope to Christ he didn't come up with this shit himself.

That's another thing, too," Noons said. "A lot of people say scar tissue. [Diaz is] not a professional boxer. He hasn't had any real pro fights. He hasn't taken a lot of damage on his face, so I don't know where they come up with (this idea) of all this scar tissue."

Yes, KJ has a little 6 or 7 and 1 boxing record, huzzah. But he's never taken damage, and more importantly never INFLICTED damage like Gomi did with Diaz. And Diaz outlasted that fight and subbed Gomi...whether Gomi was underprepared and gassed; or whether he punched himself out is up for debate, but what is clear as a fucking bell is that Noons has never punished anyone the way that Gomi did, never mind have them get back up and sub his ass.

So yes, Noons is a better technician. And further, yes, Diaz leads with is face, sure that nobody can knock him out, desperately chasing a repeat of the Lawler KO, despite the fact that his grappling is a potent tool, just waiting to be used.

And yes, Diaz has no striking D, and no takedowns to speak of. And he brings a thug-from-the-streets-of-Stockton feel that most people are tired of, if not outraged by.

But Noons fails to realize he's living in the house that Diaz built. He's famous for his win over Nick, not on his own merit. It was a cut win, it wasn't a beatdown like revisionist history would play it out.

Not a lot of damage? WTF???? He never hurt Nick like Gomi did, he didn't cut him worse than Gomi did--not even close--and there isn't anybody in the shallow depths of EXC's stable more likely for a title shot than Nick is right now.

I could still respect Noons if he ate the drama the TJ Thompson and Shaw cooked up, laughed it off, and said, "Sure, I'm free every weekend this month, just set that shit up because I never even ate a punch in my last fight..."

But not only is he stooping to their level, he's revising history, and so I'm done with him.

rh

[Severn]

Originally Posted by POINDEXTER

That's what I said, Noons won the first round of a five round fight, he was ahead for one fifth of the potential fight. The fight was then stopped due to the cut. Nothing convincing or dominating about that, IMO.

We obviously disagree. Since I think the fight was less than conclusive, I don't agree that Diaz needs to prove that he is in the same league or of the same caliber as a fighter as Noons. Nothing was proved to me - and for the record I've never been a huge fan of Diaz. As far as what Diaz has done to deserve a rematch, he has won and finished two fights since then.

Doesn't matter if Diaz/Noons are in the same league. That's not the argument. Hell have Rampage fight Wandy. Clearly both inthe same league but this is about wins and loses. Wandy shouldn't be given a shot as he's just coming off a three fight losing streat. Diaz shouldn't be given one either. Just because he barks the loudest doesn't mean he should be given a shot. He wins, he makes weight he gets a shot. Diaz is of course in the same league, I'd say he's in a league above Noons but he's got to earn it. He's embarressed beacuse he was the favorite to win, the title was meant for him to win it and it didn't happen. The fight was stopped by a cut. Sucked it happened but that's how it goes.

[POINDEXTER]

Originally Posted by Severn

Doesn't matter if Diaz/Noons are in the same league. That's not the argument. Hell have Rampage fight Wandy. Clearly both inthe same league but this is about wins and loses. Wandy shouldn't be given a shot as he's just coming off a three fight losing streat. Diaz shouldn't be given one either. Just because he barks the loudest doesn't mean he should be given a shot. He wins, he makes weight he gets a shot. Diaz is of course in the same league, I'd say he's in a league above Noons but he's got to earn it. He's embarressed beacuse he was the favorite to win, the title was meant for him to win it and it didn't happen. The fight was stopped by a cut. Sucked it happened but that's how it goes.

Diaz had won five fights before the doctor stopped the fight against Noons and has won two since then. I guess I'm not following your argument.

[Brutus]

I'm gonna throw my opinion out there and remember people, this is just my opinion. I don't think noons ever thought that he could get past Diaz in the first place so now that he's stopped him, he wants to keep it that way. A rematch could very well prove that Diaz is very capable of defeating him. Noons threw a ton of shots at diaz in that one round and like people have said before, none of them put him in any danger. Had Diaz not been cut and the fight continued, there is a good chance that the outcome would have been different. Both the diaz boys and a ton of JJ fighters sustain damage prior to winning. Thats the way it is for a lot of them, especially the Diaz bros. hell look at nates last few fights.

Bottom line, IMO, Noons doesn't want anymore to do with Nick now that he's got a W over him. He says its about the money but who the fuck else would draw in a fight like this? Not too many EXC has to offer @ 160lbs. if he wants the cash, he'll accept the rematch.