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07-03-2008, 07:55 AM
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The reason it's illegal is for the same reason I hate Dana White. It would become a lot easier for Managers/Promoters to manipulate a situation that could become a conflict of interest.
It's also too much power over a fighters money. The manager has the ability to say he doesn't think his fighter is ready to fight (maybe from injury or lack of skill), a promoter just wants his money. Promoters bust their asses to set up fights at whatever venue so it definitely becomes a conflict of interest.
This is how you get fights like Lesnar vs Mir. Lesnar was nowhere near ready to fight a BJJ master. The money was decent but the risk may have been too much. Kimbo is being brought along very well though, probably because Shaw was a more accomplished Boxing Promoter than Dana.
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07-03-2008, 07:57 AM
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I'm not trying to defend UFC - but Matt is not an expert lawyer and UFC has bunch of them on a payroll so I'm sure the whole situation is crafted/worded carefully to avoid any clash with Ali Act.
I guess court will have a final saying in this matter ( if it gets to court at all ).
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07-03-2008, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by harlemhustla145 The reason it's illegal is for the same reason I hate Dana White. It would become a lot easier for Managers/Promoters to manipulate a situation that could become a conflict of interest.
It's also too much power over a fighters money. The manager has the ability to say he doesn't think his fighter is ready to fight (maybe from injury or lack of skill), a promoter just wants his money. Promoters bust their asses to set up fights at whatever venue so it definitely becomes a conflict of interest.
This is how you get fights like Lesnar vs Mir. Lesnar was nowhere near ready to fight a BJJ master. The money was decent but the risk may have been too much. Kimbo is being brought along very well though, probably because Shaw was a more accomplished Boxing Promoter than Dana. | That's completely irrelivent since Lesnar asked to fight some top guys. Lesnar's contract was set before the fight was made so he'd be fighting for the same purse either way.
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07-03-2008, 08:52 AM
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I remember when Matt was begging for Dana to sign him a new contract unconditionaly, and Dana rejected him...now Matt Lindland claims UFC contracts are illegal?
I understand now why Dana didn't give him another chance.
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07-03-2008, 09:02 AM
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No wonder they call him Matt "The Law" lindland. There is a new sheriff in town. Very interesting read.
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07-03-2008, 09:20 AM
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Obviously they are conducting business legally or using loop holes or else there would be major problems.
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07-03-2008, 09:47 AM
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Nice try Woogie.
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07-03-2008, 11:50 AM
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Matt is just angry UFC won't sign him.
Matt is just trying to start shit
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07-03-2008, 11:51 AM
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Since when is Dana/Zuffa the fighters Managers??? From my understadning their the promoters, managers are like Anderson Silvas Ed Soares etc etc. So IF im right(which im prolly not) what the fuck is Matt talking about?? If Dana/Zuffa aren't the managers then isnt this case gonna get dropped quicker then Chris Leben fighting Anderson Silva??
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07-03-2008, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by jkilla374 I'm not too sure on this either, but...
my guess is that the lower tiered fighters have a better argument as to the legality of the Ks.
Hear me out:
Perhaps UFC's policy is to offer potential fights, and the fighters technically have the right to refuse the fights...
However, what if a fighter can prove that upon not accepting a fight, which is their alleged right, they are "punished" by not being offered fights at all, offered worse fights, or offered "non-TV" fights. If I were a fighter in this situation, I would argue that there really isn't a "real" choice to turn down fights; I would argue it is only something the elite fighters get to exercise without incident.
This is all my opinion and/or how I would argue; and to be clear, I have never read the Ali Act. | There is no t.v. bonus. So making t.v. or not has no baring on how much you get paid. You get paid what you signed the contract for, no less. Like when Koscheck was asked was he upset that he was on the undercard instead of the main card he just simply said. "It doesn't matter. I get paid the same no matter what."
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