Originally Posted by smoogy
Nobody is disputing the win, but when one guy spends two thirds of the fight warming up and then loses 29-28 without taking any real damage, its hard to call it a big win
Everyone mentions how he has "only" lost to Lyoto and Silva (twice), but another way to look at it is that in his four toughest fights, he has won two rounds total and been KO'd three times
I'm not saying he isn't good, but the guy literally has one ho-hum decision win over true contender-level competition and thats it. Who cares if he KO'd a green Nate Quarry or worked a TKO with Ken Shamrock, a bunch of little wins don't take the place of big ones.
Really hope your not saying the Rich vs Shamrock fight was a work because if so, then thats a real shame. I mean seeing Shamrock losing to Tito those last 2 times an i believe his name was berry not long ago, those all were works too.
Franklin has been i believe Ko'd 1 time and tko'ed 2 times. There is a difference between the 2.
So then i guess if Franklin is over rated that means Okami is over rated.
Because Franklin has beaten better guys then Okami has, an a bunch of Okamis wins are against Comp that isn't even that good. Not to mention his loss to a WW in Shields, not knocking shields because the guy is a bad ass.
Okami has beat exactly who, Anderson people might say. Well as i remember Anderson knocking him out an being dq'ed so its not like he really beat Anderson. Every time Okami has faced some stiff comp, well not every time but he has lost.
So like i said if Rich is over rated then Okami is seriously over rated. I mean at least Franklin finishes most of his fights.
He has lost against 1 fighter at MW, an that 1 fighter is running threw everyone making them all look bad.
He smashed Mac when Okami had to lay on him for 3 rounds. Tooled Tanner 2 times, that is when Tanner was considered to be a top fighter.
And saying it well out of his 4 toughest fights he only has won 2 rounds, makes it sound like he lost all 4 fights.
If it were not for Anderson, no one would be questioning how good Rich is.
I mean i guess Nate, Lutter, Hendo, Leben, they are all cans or over rated because Anderson finished all of them.
Rich hasn't faced all elite fighters, or many, but the thing is, he dominates everyone else, he finishes them. He has 2 decisions, outside of that he has knocked out, tkoed, or subbed everyone.
No one ever questioned Denis Kang, people just said he was great an a top 5 fighter, because he literally had wins over a bunch of cans. At least Franklin's wins were not over that bad of comp.
Only now are people saying Kang is over rated because he keeps losing, but still even gets less shit then Franklin.
I really hope Franklin fights Nate, or Filho moves to UFC so they can be beat, because with a win over either i don't believe people can continue to call him over rated. But then again who really knows.
Rich could go on to fight Henderson, finish him and people would say ah well Hendo isn't the same fighter, he is over the hill.
An something else, i can sit an find a few elite fighters that have won fights but struggled an they don't get the same kind of shit as Rich.