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Originally Posted by LebenTysonTank  But how about Cote?? He is a more technical striker then Leben,but y... |
First, this is MMA math. Second, I don't like Bisping at all, but if you think that Bisping today is only as good as Cote of four years ago, I can't help you. Lastly, that fight was a split, wasn't it? I remember giving it to Cote for outpointing Leben.
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Originally Posted by LebenTysonTank No you won't,because Leben is going to make this his fight. A grimey,knockdown drag out brawl,and I think Bisping is not good enough to do anything about it,or probably cocky enough to think he can bang. Leben by KO probably 2nd round. |
I'm not saying Leben can't catch him, and that if he does, he can't knock him out. I'm saying I don't think it will happen.
This fight is a win-win for me...I don't like either fighter, and when someone loses, I'll be happy.
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Originally Posted by Quintessential Studmuffin Not a technical fighter,but Martin does have more technical boxing then Leben. I agree to an extent that Rivera and Sakara have questionable chins,but I disagree that Bisping doesnt. I dont think it has yet to be really tested. Sinosic dropped him with a quick,glancing knee,with very little on it. Why wouldnt a crazy power punch from Leben do the same?
I never said Bisping didnt have accuracy,I said I dont think he has the kind of accuracy/power to finish a guy like Leben.
I wouldnt say Bispings ground game "sucks" by any means. He's got more jits credentials then most give him credit for,but only likes to rely on it for defensive purposes for whatever reason.
I expect alot of whining from fans with whoever wins. |
I think Bisping has been hit with big shots and recovers well. Yes, Leben has the ability to KO him, I just doubt he'll get a clean shot...Leben's entire game is based upon that puncher's chance...do you think Bisping doesn't know that? I don't see him standing toe-to-toe, I see him moving in and out and taking angles.
I agree that Bisping doesn't have the power to KO Chris, but Leben is prone to cuts, and I think Bisping will be looking to open one and pound it into a cut stoppage. If that's not his game plan, he's even less smart than I think he is...and I don't think he's that smart.
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Originally Posted by pantomime horse Sometimes fighters think their standup is better than it actually is. Look at Kos. He starts out on his feet but ends up on the ground. Bisping is the same way. He'll start standing but get tagged and will want to take the fight down to where he has a better shot at a victory.
I hope he stays up and gets KO'd by Leben.  |
Most fighters are aware that casual fans don't understand/get bored with ground fights and feel pressure to keep things standing--Kos has actually stated this in interviews.
Look at it this way: a sloppy KO will get more credit and positive attention on the internet than a sloppy sub, 99 times out of 100. When they put together best-of/highlight-reel shows; they'll include sloppy KO's by big punchers...they'll never include a sloppy submission.
Look at how much shit people gave Machida recently, for fighting an amazing standup game, pretty much textbook and picture perfect; and somehow, casual fans were whining about him "running away" or some other made-up bullshit. That's a classic illustration on why a lot of groundfighters feeling they need to test their stand-up first and default to the ground if the fight gets competative, particularly if they aren't world-class submission artists and aren't going to get the attention of an Aoki or an Aurelio style poetry-in-motion sub.
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