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[kc56]

Originally Posted by neonatural45

If Sean Salmon landed his Crane Kick properly the fight would have been finished too I guess, just becuase GSP tried a Kimura doesn't mean that he was active on the ground in the fight. He was just chillin on top of Koscheck for the majority of the fight, something that Koscheck caught alot of heat for a year or two ago.


It was textbook LnP, GSP is supposed to be some wizard at passing gaurds and he only managed to get to halfgaurd, and there he did the same thing he did in full gaurd: Nothing. Kos used to actually finish fights sometimes back in his LnP era, and he attempted submissions on the ground all the time. That didn't save him from taking heat for it


GSP didn't fight Koscheck, he wrestled him. If Koscheck was apperantly only training standup for that fight, then it is even sadder that GSP couldn't do shit to him when he had him on his back.

I think I didn't covey my point well on the Kimura. What I was saying was that GSP had poor technique on his Kimura, thereby preventing him from winning the fight.

I just re-watched the fight. Aside from you having VERY selective memory to slight GSP on a great win, I have no clue how anyone gave Kos the first round.

4:30 TD GSP
4:02 pass to half guard.
3:18 back to full.
2:27 back to half.
The whole time, GSP landed punches and elbows.

Then...

1:41 Kos stands up and gets stuffed with his first TD attempt.
1:26 Kos gets the takedown.
Between then and the end of the round, he lands maybe 3 shots.

Rd 2
439 TD GSP
433 pass to half guard
351 Kimura attempt
322 Kimura attempt
239 GSP side control (lands punches and elbows)
206 scramble puts GSP back in full guard.
153 half guard
125 kimura attempt till the end of round with leg behind the head, but in half guard.

Rd 3
GSP gets the better of the standup throwing punches kicks and 3-4 strike combos. Kos keeps throwing the overhand right with everything he has and missing.
210 Kos grabs a leg.
146 Kos gets stuffed and reversed on a TD attempt.
GSP stays in full guard and lands 15-20+ solid elbows as well as lots of punches, then goes for a leg lock at the buzzer.

Im not trying to be a dick when I say this, but seriously, go back and rewatch that fight.

[Dr. MMA]

Originally Posted by neonatural45

I don't think anyone expected GSP to come out and LnP Koscheck...

How is it funny that they wanted to stand with a fighter that they thought had overrated standup? That's where they thought they could beat GSP, so they trained that way.

How is it not funny? Why the hell would Kos just train for standup. Does he not watch GSP's tapes to see that he sets up his takedowns with his standup? Why wouldn't he make sure that he stuffs his takedowns... was he just too cocky with his wrestling?

Plus, he thought he could beat GSP in the standup? Kos' best shot to beat GSP was to put him on his back. Even when he put him on his back with one n' half mins left in the round, he did nothing with it. In the standup, he landed one significant punch while he had no idea how to block any of GSP's kicks.

Doesn't matter if you like to say GSP did a lnp or he couldn't sink in the kimura. Kos had no answer when he was on his back, when he was on top or when he was standing up. He was pretty much swinigng for the fences the whole time.

[kc56]

Originally Posted by Dr. MMA

How is it not funny? Why the hell would Kos just train for standup. Does he not watch GSP's tapes to see that he sets up his takedowns with his standup? Why wouldn't he make sure that he stuffs his takedowns... was he just too cocky with his wrestling?

Plus, he thought he could beat GSP in the standup? Kos' best shot to beat GSP was to put him on his back. Even when he put him on his back with one n' half mins left in the round, he did nothing with it. In the standup, he landed one significant punch while he had no idea how to block any of GSP's kicks.

Doesn't matter if you like to say GSP did a lnp or he couldn't sink in the kimura. Kos had no answer when he was on his back, when he was on top or when he was standing up. He was pretty much swinigng for the fences the whole time.

I agree with the Doc. See my above post. ^^^

[Ifightforaliving]

Fitch is funny,

[Palma]

Originally Posted by kc56

I think I didn't covey my point well on the Kimura. What I was saying was that GSP had poor technique on his Kimura, thereby preventing him from winning the fight.

I just re-watched the fight. Aside from you having VERY selective memory to slight GSP on a great win, I have no clue how anyone gave Kos the first round.

4:30 TD GSP
4:02 pass to half guard.
3:18 back to full.
2:27 back to half.
The whole time, GSP landed punches and elbows.

Then...

1:41 Kos stands up and gets stuffed with his first TD attempt.
1:26 Kos gets the takedown.
Between then and the end of the round, he lands maybe 3 shots.

Rd 2
439 TD GSP
433 pass to half guard
351 Kimura attempt
322 Kimura attempt
239 GSP side control (lands punches and elbows)
206 scramble puts GSP back in full guard.
153 half guard
125 kimura attempt till the end of round with leg behind the head, but in half guard.

Rd 3
GSP gets the better of the standup throwing punches kicks and 3-4 strike combos. Kos keeps throwing the overhand right with everything he has and missing.
210 Kos grabs a leg.
146 Kos gets stuffed and reversed on a TD attempt.
GSP stays in full guard and lands 15-20+ solid elbows as well as lots of punches, then goes for a leg lock at the buzzer.

Im not trying to be a dick when I say this, but seriously, go back and rewatch that fight.

Well, all three judges who scored the fight gave that round to Koscheck and here's why... you fail to mention that Koscheck gets side control over GSP in the first when he got his takedown. Side control is a dominant position where guard and half guard are not. I don't even know why you even bring up GSP passing to half guard since it is basically a neutral position and guard is actually an offinsive for Koscheck... so basically GSP got one takedown compared to a "reversal" by koscheck as well as controlling the entire round besides that.

That win wasn't considered a lay and pray win for any other reason then GSP was content to just win by a decision via holding Koscheck to the ground... classic Lay and Pray.

[piglyncher]

Originally Posted by fedor

Leben pissed on some dudes bed.

he did not pee on his bed.....it was just a spritz.

[OG&C_Inspector]

GSP's greatest threat is his mind set going into fights. But I am honestly picking Fitch to win this one. I think Fitch has the advantage on the submissions, and his ability to fight from his back should negate GSP's wrestling and take downs if he lands them. Standing MMA will always be a punchers chance when niether fighter is a true boxing striker. I give GSP the advantage when it comes to standing only slightly because of his ability to mix up his kicks and punches so quickly, though I think they sometimes look a little forced and jerky. But I think Fitch is a gamer who always comes in with a pretty solid game plan and just completely surprises his oppenants with his re-actions in the cage.

[Oats420]

Originally Posted by Gurry

With GSP however, he can't make those mistakes, because where others have failed, a fighter at the level of GSP will fully capitalize on the opportunity and make it a tough fight for Fitch.

I agree. With all respect to Fitch and his skills, I just can't see him beating GSP.

They way GSP has fought his last 3 fights, he looked focused and seems to have a gameplay for everyone. He'll take everything away from you and pound you away.

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by Mungo

I liked Koscheck until he sprayed Leben with the hose.. I don't know kinda just seems like an asshole.

some people shouldn't drink, especially on a televised reality show.

Originally Posted by fedor

If I remeber correctly Diego even pushed him at the weight-ins almost off the stage and Josh did not do anything but be calm but people still hate him.

CB Dolloway should take note. Kos was as cocky as he was, and failed to back it up, like he did. The general public has a long memory about shit like that.

Originally Posted by fedor

Leben pissed on some dudes bed.

some people shouldn't drink, especially on a televised reality show.

Originally Posted by fedor

Yeah, I overlooked the fact that he LNP's, and the standing LNP. That is why people hate him I guess.

On-topic, I think Fitch is going to make it a competitive fight but still loose.

The standing LnP was more due to Diego not willing to stand and trade than anything Koscheck did.

rh

[Qball1974]

Originally Posted by neonatural45

If Sean Salmon landed his Crane Kick properly the fight would have been finished too I guess, just becuase GSP tried a Kimura doesn't mean that he was active on the ground in the fight. He was just chillin on top of Koscheck for the majority of the fight, something that Koscheck caught alot of heat for a year or two ago.


It was textbook LnP, GSP is supposed to be some wizard at passing gaurds and he only managed to get to halfgaurd, and there he did the same thing he did in full gaurd: Nothing. Kos used to actually finish fights sometimes back in his LnP era, and he attempted submissions on the ground all the time. That didn't save him from taking heat for it


GSP didn't fight Koscheck, he wrestled him. If Koscheck was apperantly only training standup for that fight, then it is even sadder that GSP couldn't do shit to him when he had him on his back.

WOW I have no idea what you are taking about ....and thats scary!