Originally Posted by Palma
You know what? I rewatched the first round and I actually agree with you to an extent. That round could have gone either way. I don't agree that GSP was landing elbows and strikes. He was throwing them and nothing landed while Koscheck landed to nice rights at the end of the round, which is probably why the majority of the judges gave him that round 10-9.
As for trying to sink the same submission for over half of the round: If you don't get it right away and you are only holding on to it to maintain position then I'm sorry, but that is certainly a form of Lay and Pray. You have your opinion and I have mine, but any fighter who is content to hold people on the ground and just do enough activity to not the fight stood up in order to win the round with their control is utilizing LandP. And GSP and Koscheck are both guilty of that... not every fight, but they will resort to it if they have to as opposed to taking chances to finish the fight.
That's fair enough.
It had been awhile since I had seen the fight too, and it got hazy, so with everyone saying it was pure LnP the whole fight, I had to go back and watch it again, and the win was more solid than I remembered. I'm not going to pick nits as far as who landed more the first round, but GSP's elbows were landing in the 3rd.
As for the second? GSP went for that Kimura 3 different times, so it's not like he got in position and laid there. He tried to pull Kos's arm out a number of times, and let go to try and land some strikes to get the sub. I will agree with anyone that cites GSP's poor form on a Kimura throughout the 2nd round, but I don't think it was LnP.
You can't really say He LnP the whole fight either, because in the 3rd round, GSP was "content to stand" with Kos and was getting the better of it until Kos went for the takedown.
As you said, we both have our opinions and can agree to disagree on how we viewed it.