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[tmlfan]

I was browsing the fighters on the UFC site and looking at the 5 champs, is this the best of the best we have seen at one time as champs? I mean as a collective. I know the LHW will be disputed, and I would consider Nog the HW champ, Randy gave that up and its the last we've seen of him imo

I cant really think of anyone currently in the UFC that I would say they are the uncrowned "insert division" champ. (Machida for the LHW maybe soon). I guess now I think about it, I can see Machida as the one to put on the list, but is there anyone else?


For reference.

Heavyweight - Current UFC Champion: Randy Couture
Interim UFC Champion: Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira

Light Heavyweight - Current UFC Champion: Forrest Griffin

Middleweight - Current UFC Champion: Anderson Silva

Welterweight - Current UFC Champion: Georges St-Pierre

Lightweight - Current UFC Champion: BJ Penn

[Problematique]

One of the best yes.

[Jza]

From Middleweight downwards then most people would definitely agree. I mean if we wish to include the WEC's featherweight and bantamweight divisions I think it still holds true as well.

As you mentioned whilst both Nogs and Forrest are very good they are not what people would consider the best in their weight class, Forrest havin a decisive loss to Jardine on his record a being one means for people to formulate this opinion. And obviously for Nogs quite simply he isn't Fedor.

[mulefloyd]

I always hear everybody hang on Fedor's nuts and I've seen enough of his fights to agree he's one of the most well-rounded fighters in any weight class but (you knew it was coming) while he improved his game plan in the 2nd fight and was more dominant he still didn't finish Nog and their 1st fight was as boring as a Sherk fight.

[MasterShake]

Originally Posted by mulefloyd

I always hear everybody hang on Fedor's nuts and I've seen enough of his fights to agree he's one of the most well-rounded fighters in any weight class but (you knew it was coming) while he improved his game plan in the 2nd fight and was more dominant he still didn't finish Nog and their 1st fight was as boring as a Sherk fight.

If you haven't seen his fights go to youtube and look them up you will be impressed.

But yes I feel as far as being in the UFC, they are the cream of the crop. Whether you say there not the best or there are better, it doesn't matter in my eyes who the champ has lost to in the past. If you are holding a belt you are the standard in that division until someone takes that belt away. For any of us to say they do not deserve it or they are not the best in there weight class at that given time, is like making fun of someones car, when you do not own a car yourself, because no matter how shitty there car is it is better then the car you own. As long as they hold the belt they are the best.

[leedogg900]

personally i think nog and forrest will be out soon.

[baltour]

Originally Posted by mulefloyd

I always hear everybody hang on Fedor's nuts and I've seen enough of his fights to agree he's one of the most well-rounded fighters in any weight class but (you knew it was coming) while he improved his game plan in the 2nd fight and was more dominant he still didn't finish Nog and their 1st fight was as boring as a Sherk fight.

Why does everyone who knocks on fedor always say "he didn't finish nog"? Why would finishing even matter? He beat him SOUNDLY.
Do you even know who minotauro is?
Go back and watch/read more about mma, young grasshopper.

[Severn]

Originally Posted by baltour

Why does everyone who knocks on fedor always say "he didn't finish nog"? Why would finishing even matter? He beat him SOUNDLY.
Do you even know who minotauro is?
Go back and watch/read more about mma, young grasshopper.

Co-sign.

The reason people give Fedor respect is because of his wins over Minotauro. I bought the Shockwave '04 DVD last weekend it was scary how effortless it was for him. It's like Bas, Mauro and Randy (who was there commentating and was at the time the LHW champ) were almost in awe of how he defeated Nog, who when it's all said and done is probably the most decorated HW champ ever.

I think almost every fighter who's champ is best in their division except for Forrest. I think Machida would take the belt, I think Wanderlei would take it, Chuck, Rampage of course... the division is so packed with guys that any of the top five guys can beat each other and become champ. I'm not saying it to discredit Forrest (which I do have issues with) but to give credit to the whole division.

[MasterShake]

Originally Posted by Severn

Co-sign.

I co sign also with this.

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I agree and disagree, everyone you list in my eyes and on paper are generally without a doubt better then Forrest. But, he at this time is the top of the heap for the plain and simple reason he is champ, and to discredit him is to dicredit possibly the greatest division in MMA and all the people that have held the belt. He'll probably lose his first title defense but for now he is the champ therefore he is the best in that division until he is no longer champ.

[Nothing Ninja]

Originally Posted by Severn

I think almost every fighter who's champ is best in their division except for Forrest. I think Machida would take the belt, I think Wanderlei would take it, Chuck, Rampage of course... the division is so packed with guys that any of the top five guys can beat each other and become champ. I'm not saying it to discredit Forrest (which I do have issues with) but to give credit to the whole division.

I agree fully with your post. I think everyone on the list is a great champion and exemplary fighter in their respective class, except for Forrest (whom I have issue with as well). I hope he is not holding that belt very long.