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[Dominus]

Now I'm not saying that the UFC is crap, but when I saw the UFC's all around Champ, their poster boy get dominated, I started to feel a little ill. I'm a big UFC fan, and I wanted to believe that they had the best fighters in the world. Yet the more I watched Pride and the more I thought about it I knew in my heart that the UFC just doesn't have the talent pool that Pride does. It almost could make a fan loose a little faith in the credibility of the fighters that they promote. It started with Anderson destroying Leben and has continued with the domination of Franklin. The UFC fighters are good fighters, but on average are in a lower class as far a world wide talent is concerned. There are some good up and comers, but not many that are close to being at the top in the world yet.
The new North American MMA world is young, and the UFC will build their roster over time, but during that time you will see a lot more of the UFC champions that have been built up to legend status get dismantled, , but in the end the UFC credibility and talent roster will be solid from top to bottom. Franklin's loss is hopefully the first step in the UFC building the top tier roster in the world.

[Sweetreef]

UFC have the best fighters in the world HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Cromm]

The main difference between Pride and the UFC comes down to purse size. Pride pays the top tier more so attracts better fighters. Also look at consistency. Gomi, Fedor, Silva, all champions for quite a while. In the UFC the longest title holder has been Liddell. IMO when the UFC starts paying comparatively to the amount their making you will see higher level world class fighters actively seeking to make the big show(in comparison the UFC pays less then several of the much smaller orgs to get that talent Until just recently Urijah Faber remained unsigned to any major org. because he made more money being the champion in smaller orgs.(now signed w/ WFA). Heath Herring should be in the UFC his stand up is solid, and grappling abilities are sharp but he was signed to WFA because of the amount he was offered.

[binimac]

How about we stop lableing these guys as ufc or pride fighters and just call them fighters. people on here take this shit way to far and appear to be nutthugging bandwagon fans.

there is no best fighter, or organization, on any given night anyone can be dropped

period

[bboyphl]

Originally Posted by Cromm

The main difference between Pride and the UFC comes down to purse size. Pride pays the top tier more so attracts better fighters. Also look at consistency. Gomi, Fedor, Silva, all champions for quite a while. In the UFC the longest title holder has been Liddell. IMO when the UFC starts paying comparatively to the amount their making you will see higher level world class fighters actively seeking to make the big show(in comparison the UFC pays less then several of the much smaller orgs to get that talent Until just recently Urijah Faber remained unsigned to any major org. because he made more money being the champion in smaller orgs.(now signed w/ WFA). Heath Herring should be in the UFC his stand up is solid, and grappling abilities are sharp but he was signed to WFA because of the amount he was offered.

Matt Hughes is the UFC's longest title holder.

[NinjaShogunRua]

Originally Posted by Cromm

. Also look at consistency. Gomi, Fedor, Silva, all champions for quite a while. In the UFC the longest title holder has been Liddell.

The only thing is, is that PRIDE doesn't make their champs defend the belts. How many non-title fights have Fedor had? Gomi has yet to defend his title, and even lost a non-title fight. So the consistancy of title holders argument doesn't really hold up.

I understand that their are the GP's and stuff which interfere with a champion defending his title, but PRIDE has ALOT of non-title fights. Title defenses aren't as important in Japan as they are here.

I agree with the original post that UFC needs to go with more of a international roster like PRIDE, and I believe that they are trying to do so. As of now they are adding more Japanese and Brazlian fighters, hopefully this trend continues.

They need to sign more Silva's and less Kongo's. They try to build up guys like Kongo by having their announcers hype them up, when they really haven't beaten anybody. I'd rather them sign more guys like Anderson Silva who have actually done something, and beaten guys with name recognition.

[Bran]

Originally Posted by Dominus

Now I'm not saying that the UFC is crap, but when I saw the UFC's all around Champ, their poster boy get dominated, I started to feel a little ill. I'm a big UFC fan, and I wanted to believe that they had the best fighters in the world. Yet the more I watched Pride and the more I thought about it I knew in my heart that the UFC just doesn't have the talent pool that Pride does. It almost could make a fan loose a little faith in the credibility of the fighters that they promote. It started with Anderson destroying Leben and has continued with the domination of Franklin. The UFC fighters are good fighters, but on average are in a lower class as far a world wide talent is concerned. There are some good up and comers, but not many that are close to being at the top in the world yet.
The new North American MMA world is young, and the UFC will build their roster over time, but during that time you will see a lot more of the UFC champions that have been built up to legend status get dismantled, , but in the end the UFC credibility and talent roster will be solid from top to bottom. Franklin's loss is hopefully the first step in the UFC building the top tier roster in the world.

franklin is an amazing fighter, he just got beat by another amazing fighter. there's a reason he's #1 on the mma middleweight rankings. also, your argument consists of two fights won by the same guy. that would be like me saying that pride sucks because cro cop beat silva and barnett

[BigBanda]

Originally Posted by binimac

How about we stop lableing these guys as ufc or pride fighters and just call them fighters. people on here take this shit way to far and appear to be nutthugging bandwagon fans.

there is no best fighter, or organization, on any given night anyone can be dropped

period

Well said. It should all be about the fighters and what MMA stands for. It's sad that there are people out there that choose not to watch certain bouts just because it's not a certain organization. Of course some organizations are going to have more strengths in certain areas where other organizations lack. Enjoy the sport and support it in any way you can.

[Cromm]

Originally Posted by bboyphl

Matt Hughes is the UFC's longest title holder.

Actually since Matt regained his title from GSP he has only had two title defences, neither Royce or Riggs where actually title bouts if I am not mistaken, and Liddell has fought Couture, Horn and recently Sobral.

[j.farrell]

i think the fact that pride draws fighters from all over the world makes a big difference too.