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[TN94z]

Hahaha!!! You can't fix a chin. Rich will never return to form ever again, he will fight scared and wary, afraid of getting hit. He fought with confidence before, his confidence will be in complete tatters now, and his nose will rebreak even easier next time. His ribs are glass, his chin is in shambles, held by scotch tape at best. What you saw was the beginning of the end of Rich Franklin. The Ace just got his card pulled!

Are you serious? Isn't this the same stuff that Nate Quarry was saying? That is why he was champion...How can you say all that about a guy who has walked through just about every fighter in his class and was the Champ just because he lost one fight? If that is the case, you might as well say that about every fighter in the UFC.

Besides, Rich lost very badly. I just don't think he'll return with the fire and confidence he originally had. Once you've tasted a brutal defeat like that, it takes years to recover. Rich may have to take some really really easy fights. I'm talking about fights where the opponent can barely even walk into the octagon. That's the best thing Dana can do to help his buddy out. Fighters will go at Rich with more confidence now, they won't see him as being all that special. They won't be intimidated by him at all.

Then how did Hughes, Couture, Liddell, Sylvia, Tito, Shamrock. etc...the list goes on and on come back so quick with so much confidence? Do you even watch UFC? Alot of fighters are driven that much harder by defeat.

[Kewl144]

Originally Posted by kowarrior

Let's not go off topic. My point is, Rich may or may not be back better than ever. He may end up never regaining the pride and confidence that he quite possibly lost against Silva. Hell I could be wrong, he might come back immediately and blow Silva away in a rematch. But I can't see it happening. Maybe due to the fact that I originally never rated Franklin all that highly. I was never impressed with him honestly but I respected him.

I agree. I never saw anything special about Franklin. He defended his title again Quarry and The Crow. Neither of those fighters, especially Quarry were the cream of the crop for MMA fighters. He isnt a technical fighter, he doesnt throw very good punches compared to pure strikers, and he isnt a wizard on the ground. All he was, was a fighter who relied on coming in big to bully his opponents. Honestly, what was actually "great" about Franklin?

[ANTi]

Originally Posted by Kewl144

I agree. I never saw anything special about Franklin. He defended his title again Quarry and The Crow. Neither of those fighters, especially Quarry were the cream of the crop for MMA fighters. He isnt a technical fighter, he doesnt throw very good punches compared to pure strikers, and he isnt a wizard on the ground. All he was, was a fighter who relied on coming in big to bully his opponents. Honestly, what was actually "great" about Franklin?

Franklin was built up to be seemingly indestructable. I never thought Franklin was that great but I never thought he was that bad either. Franklin did rely a lot on being bigger than his opponents. Only time will be able to tell what happens with Rich next. If he can recover and come back stronger or if he lets it haunt him. If he's a true fighter then he'll be back.

[Soul_Edge]

I like how after one loss everyone jumps off the Rich Franklin bandwagon. Show me a fighter who has never lost? Everyone loses, except maybe Fedor, he is in a different level, but I think Cro Cop will soon change that. But that is off topic. Rich will come back, get a few quality wins under his belt and return to championship level. Hughes did it, Liddell did it. Why can't Franklin, explain me that? I still consider him in the top five, six at worst. With lindland, hendo, filho, kang, franklin, and of course Silva.

[Kewl144]

Originally Posted by ANTi

Franklin was built up to be seemingly indestructable. I never thought Franklin was that great but I never thought he was that bad either. Franklin did rely a lot on being bigger than his opponents. Only time will be able to tell what happens with Rich next. If he can recover and come back stronger or if he lets it haunt him. If he's a true fighter then he'll be back.

and thats my point. He was/is a good fighter but not a great fighter. Look at his wins and you'll see guys there who only have one MMA fight and its a lost to frankin. You see one guy who has 1 win and 12 losses. And you'll find another guy who has 12 win and 19 losses. Who has he beaten that makes him so great? I know what the look in his eyes was when he was walking out. It was pure fear and concern because he was finally being put up against a true dominate 185 striker. He probably realize that his "greatness" was nothing more than a marketing angle by the UFC.

[Kewl144]

Originally Posted by Soul_Edge

I like how after one loss everyone jumps off the Rich Franklin bandwagon.

I was never a Rich nuthugger to begin with. You can check my post history regarding Franklin if you dont believe me. In my eyes, he's always been an average to good fighter but nothing more and definitely nothing special or great about him.

[duran]

I think the biggest difference here is that Ace took a vicious beating Saturday. When he comes back I don't think he will be the same fighter. That type of loss takes something from the soul of most fighters. Will he fight again with some success? I think we all can guess the answer is yes. Can he come back and beat Silva? If he is the rare fighter who can forget a beating like that, he has a chance. I think the chances are that beating took more from him than the belt.

[msrjr1972]

Originally Posted by Kewl144

I agree. I never saw anything special about Franklin. He defended his title again Quarry and The Crow. Neither of those fighters, especially Quarry were the cream of the crop for MMA fighters. He isnt a technical fighter, he doesnt throw very good punches compared to pure strikers, and he isnt a wizard on the ground. All he was, was a fighter who relied on coming in big to bully his opponents. Honestly, what was actually "great" about Franklin?

The only reason Rich Franklin dominated his division is because he never really had a real threat to his belt.I mean David Loiseau,Evan Tanner,Edwin Dewees,Nate Quarry?Are you serious?What a bunch of bums.If he was competing somewhere else like Pride he would be beat up worse than he did at the hands of Silva.

[tapper]

Originally Posted by Soul_Edge

I like how after one loss everyone jumps off the Rich Franklin bandwagon. Show me a fighter who has never lost? Everyone loses, except maybe Fedor, he is in a different level, but I think Cro Cop will soon change that. But that is off topic. Rich will come back, get a few quality wins under his belt and return to championship level. Hughes did it, Liddell did it. Why can't Franklin, explain me that? I still consider him in the top five, six at worst. With lindland, hendo, filho, kang, franklin, and of course Silva.

second that.

[Hartexe3]

Originally Posted by tank106

franklin has the heart of a warrior, i seriously doubt that he was afraid of Silva. he went almost 4 rds. against loiseau with a broken hand and still dominated the fight. bottom line is, the guy needs to be cut some slack. Any time anyone steps in the cage, the outcome can go either way. He lost the fight, but he'll be back. For example:

Chuck - Lost to randy when everyone thought he was gonna knock randy's ass out, beaten him twice since then, even ko'ed tito.

Hughes - lost to penn, hasn't lost since. beat trigg twice, gsp, gracie, and recently beat penn.

Sylvia - forfeited belt, arm broken by mir, submitted by arlovski, ko'ed him to get his belt back when everyone thought arlovski was unstoppable. even beat him for a third time.

This experience will just motivate him even more and he will come back ready for a war next time. As far as those who say they think something looked odd about him, who really knows. If there was something wrong, it will come out in due time.

Come on man. Franklin was acting a little weird before and during the fight. Maybe he wasn't afraid of Silva, but he knew he was in hot water. I think he was intimidated. Actually, in the pre-fight interview, he said he would prefer to get a one-punch KO, pick up his check, and go home. Now I understand that the UFC is a business, but you don't have to say things like that. I suspect he is in it for the money just as much as the competition, which is fine, but I don't want to hear it, you know? It's the same deal with Ortiz and Shamrock. Shamrocks whole "We made a lot of money" speech pissed me off because it essentially meant that he didn't care if he won or lost. Well if you don't care, don't bother to fight in the first place. This isn't pro-wrestling. If you don't care about losing, you are disrespecting and cheating your fans. I'm surprised more people weren't extremely pissed off when he said that.