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[Ifightforaliving]

Fitch is elite he is just not on GSP's level.

[jrube]

Originally Posted by mindwarp

well its 'pound for pound', so the way I see it, beating someone 400lbs when you are only 230lbs gives you cred in terms of each pound of you is more effective.

To add to it, fedor and silva probably are not far off in weight when silva hasnt cut to 185, and I dont think anyone can say Silva could beat Fedor. Silva has been defeated, and even Travis Lutter gave him a run for his money.

So your saying that Fedor at 230 beating 400 pounds of inexperience helps him in P4P rankings? I think you need to learn what the P4P rankings mean.

To your other point, you act as if Fedor has never been challenged in any of his fights...

[Paytheplayer]

Originally Posted by thecoylewis

1. Fedor
2. Anderson
3. BJ Penn
4. GSP

I don't know how anyone can put Anderson above Fedor when not only has Anderson lost 4 times, he's been stopped, something Fedor has not.

I also feel that BJ Penn won the first time he fought GSP and will win the rematch. As Bas Rutten says on BJ Penn, there's nothing that this guy isn't good at and Bas actually ranks BJ as the best pound for pound fighter in the world.

No disrespect to GSP, but I don't think his victories over Hughes were as impressive considering Hughes is on the downswing of his career and I feel that both Serra and Fitch weren't elite caliber fighters. I'm a fan of Fitch's but he was clearly out matched in that fight and I don't think he was ready to step in there. GSP #4 pound for pound but not higher.

I'm anxious to see if the new and improved GSP is ready for a newly rededicated BJ Penn this time around.

I disagree. When GSP won the first fight, it wasn't like a Bisping/Hammill fight. I think it was just THAT close, and I actually had GSP winning by basically a takedown. GSP got the victory bottom line, which makes him 1-0 against BJ
GSP only has 2 career losses, and he's avenged both of them. He has beaten every top competitor in his weight class.
Penns last loss was to Hughes, who GSP destroyed twice now since losing to him 4 years ago.
GSP is 10-2 in his last 12, while BJ is 4-3 in his last 7.
The competition GSP has beaten > BJ's competition.
I seriously think at the moment, there is no arguement for who is number 3. If BJ beats GSP when they fight, definitely Penn would be 3. But for now it's GSP

[surfrock66]

Woah, GSP is good but I definitely put him below Penn. GSP's striking looked a little lacking, and he couldn't finish Fitch, who is tough, but if you're top p4p you should be finishing. I think the refocused BJ finishes fights and leaves no question, and is def higher than GSP. And, there's no way GSP > Fedor or silva, those guys don't know what a second round looks like.

[Diegonightmare]

Considering Penn's most natural/effective weight class appears to be 155, and that he is better rounded than GSP, I would have to agree that Penn is #3.

This is taking nothing away from GSP, who is a bad bad motherfucker.

Anderson fights at 185 - a full 2 weight classes below Fedor - and has more actively fought top competition recently than Fedor has. He's destroyed everyone in recent memory.

So I have p4p:

1 - Anderson Silva
2 - Fedor Emelianenko
3 - BJ Penn
4 - Georges St. Pierre
5 - Urijah Faber

At some point, someone has to give Faber some love. The dude is 145 pounds, 22-1, with a 13 fight win streak, and Jens Pulver is the only one to take him to a decision in almost 4 years (a decision he lost very cleanly). He's won nearly as often by submission as by (T)KO.

Torres is way up there too.

[jrube]

Originally Posted by jukon

I disagree. That is far too bold of a statement. And while you may find Silva, Fedor, GSP and Penn on top of nearly all P4P rankings, their order can vary quite a bit.

I believe if you read again, that you agreed with my statement that A.Silva, Fedor and GSP are the top 3 in the P4P rankings, I didn't state that in order, though I did put my thoughts on the order below that..

[hunterkiller]

Originally Posted by Steve88

u don't think fitch is an elite level fighter?

who exactly do you think is?

IMO, there are lower, middle, upper middle and elite level fighters. BJ Penn and GSP are the only elite level guys at this moment at 170 and that's assuming BJ moves up to 170. Matt Hughes was this type of a fighter for most of his career. I don't think Fitch is up there with those guys. He's knocking on the door, but not there yet.

At no point leading up to this fight did I ever think Fitch was going to do better than going the distance. I posted on it in May that Fitch was simply to going to be outworked and controlled in this fight which he clearly was. BJ Penn would do the same thing and a in his prime Matt Hughes would do the same. Anyone else at 170, Fitch has better success.

I'm not taking anything away from the guy, I'm a fan of his, I just don't think he's in that upper tier with the likes of Penn and GSP.

[Beowulf]

Originally Posted by Paytheplayer

I disagree. When GSP won the first fight, it wasn't like a Bisping/Hammill fight. I think it was just THAT close, and I actually had GSP winning by basically a takedown. GSP got the victory bottom line, which makes him 1-0 against BJ
GSP only has 2 career losses, and he's avenged both of them. He has beaten every top competitor in his weight class.
Penns last loss was to Hughes, who GSP destroyed twice now since losing to him 4 years ago.
GSP is 10-2 in his last 12, while BJ is 4-3 in his last 7.
The competition GSP has beaten > BJ's competition.
I seriously think at the moment, there is no arguement for who is number 3. If BJ beats GSP when they fight, definitely Penn would be 3. But for now it's GSP

BJ is a LW. His last 3 losses have come in WW and LHW. HE also has wins in WW and MW. Did you even see his fight with Machida? A LW took Machida to a decision, he has to get credit for that.

The only person GSP has beat that is bigger the him is Fitch. BJ has beat rodrigo and renzo at MW, took machida to a decision at LHW, beat hughes and ludwig at ww, and sherk who is a hughe LW. GSP is fighting people smaller then him, BJ is fighting people bigger. You don't just go by wins/losses

[ILJO]

there is no right or wrong in p4p lists but this list is more right than yours (everyone that doesnt agree)

1.Fedor
2.Anderson
3. winner of bj penn/gsp 2

[Ifightforaliving]

uh weren't we supposed to keep all spoilers in the spoiler section until tomorrow?