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08-12-2008, 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by thebwit I actually want to see that fight happen. Florian has looked a lot better since that loss and I am willing to bet he would win against Sherk the 2nd time around. It would be interesting to see if Sherk tried to stand with Florian this time or not. | As much as I don't like the guy, Sherk is about as dominant at LW as you can be without being named BJ Penn.
I think if Penn moves up to WW, Sherk runs roughshod all over the other LW's for the forseeable future. He's just too big and strong for the others in the division and I don't see anyone changing that. Stevenson looked terrible against Mr. Frodo Tibau until he gave his neck up, Huerta got beat flat out by Florian, and Florian got pounded by Sherk the first time. It's true Kenny has grown as a fighter but I still don't see it as being any different this time around.
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08-12-2008, 07:39 AM
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Hell I don't blame him either. He gets paid per fight and if he wants another pay check then so be it. He knows the risk and hopefully he won't get hit with the Karo Curse.
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08-12-2008, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Afro Im still not overly impressed with Kenflo I think hes taking very small steps up the ladder, really hasnt proven to be a top dog yet and hes one that has a lot to prove considering where hes starting from.. | I don't know how you cannot be impressed with Florian. You have to realize that he was very inexperienced when he first started in UFC. After his first fight [in the ufc], he was 2-2. However, you have to consider he was in a pretty stacked ultimate fighter season where he was 2 weight classes above his natural weight, yet he went to the finals.
With every fight, you see him improving. He was pretty much a bjj guy and now he has shown some great MT. He keeps evolving his game. Just watch all of Florian's matches in consecutive order and you'll see his improvement. His last fight with Huerta is exactly what I wanted to see from Florian... elusiveness. Florian's biggest weakness was his wrestling and that's not a good thing in a division full of solid wrestlers. You can tell that from his fight with Sherk. However, now him trying to be elusive and picking his spots will really help him from being taken down.
I really want to see him face a solid wrestler to see how his new technique will work. Put him against someone like Guida who goes 1000mph and tries to take you down at every chance.
By the way, although I would expect BJ to win if they fought... I think Florian would give BJ the most competitive fight from anyone else in the UFC lw division.
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08-12-2008, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr. MMA I don't know how you cannot be impressed with Florian. You have to realize that he was very inexperienced when he first started in UFC. After his first fight [in the ufc], he was 2-2. However, you have to consider he was in a pretty stacked ultimate fighter season where he was 2 weight classes above his natural weight, yet he went to the finals.
With every fight, you see him improving. He was pretty much a bjj guy and now he has shown some great MT. He keeps evolving his game. Just watch all of Florian's matches in consecutive order and you'll see his improvement. His last fight with Huerta is exactly what I wanted to see from Florian... elusiveness. Florian's biggest weakness was his wrestling and that's not a good thing in a division full of solid wrestlers. You can tell that from his fight with Sherk. However, now him trying to be elusive and picking his spots will really help him from being taken down.
I really want to see him face a solid wrestler to see how his new technique will work. Put him against someone like Guida who goes 1000mph and tries to take you down at every chance.
By the way, although I would expect BJ to win if they fought... I think Florian would give BJ the most competitive fight from anyone else in the UFC lw division. | Well im not impressed cuz im not impressed by his opponents, there solid fighters... but thats just it.. solid fighters! Huerta was his best opponent so far and I dont consider Huerta to be anymore then B grade, and since Kenny right now seems to be in the same conversation as the Top Echelon of UFC LWs.. im just not impressed.
Im looking at the whole picture here.. the fashion in which he wins his fights, and who hes fighting..
there all tough tests.. but thats just it.. I want to see him fight someone who will bring out the best in him.. and the reason why im not impressed is.. Huerta somewhat did that and Roger Huerta is not one of the elite at LW in the UFC and still Kenny is in that conversation.. hes in that conversation without ever facing one of the elite.. hes fought just a bunch of solid guys.. and im just not impressed by how hes fighting.
Fighting the winner of Sherk/Griffin would be perfect.
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08-12-2008, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by leedogg900 | florian vs penn and gsp vs alves/sanchez instead of penn/st. pierre for new years show
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08-12-2008, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by thecoylewis I'm all for Penn moving up to fight Georges but the LW title should be vacated and let Florian fight Stevenson for the title. | Agreed, if you want to float around weight classes you should release the belt. I want to see a multiple weight class champ but with the lifespan of fighters and level of competition it is only fair to hold one belt at a time.
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08-12-2008, 10:50 AM
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I want to see him fight Matt Serra.
Now there's an idea
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08-12-2008, 12:07 PM
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the last thing i want to see is a Sherk/Florian rematch. their first fight was actually kinda fun to watch, but besides the elbow and a few body kicks from Kenny, it was a very lopsided fight for Sherk. would it be the same now, no! but id still rather see Kenny fight a guy like Stevenson or someone along those lines. hell they can do an interim belt or something like they always do LOL
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08-12-2008, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisAM Right, he should fight the winner of Sherk/Griffin, if he beats one of them then give him to BJ. But Coy saying that BJ should vacate the title to fight GSP is kinda weak, if he can move back and fourth it shouldn't be a problem. | It should be a problem... But consider how long its gonna take for each title defense. Penns not the type to fight every 2 months, especially if hes fighting at different weights AND defending the title. Think about it for a sec.
Penn's fighting GSP in Dec,lets say he wins the WW title, the earliest he could defend his LW after that would be like March-April(Kenflo). And if he defended the LW title in April then he would have to take some time off before defending the WW title in about August(Alves).
So Florian has to wait 8 months without a fight
and Alves has to wait over a year?
Thats not right.
IMO they should have GSP/Penn in December and if Penn wins, he stays at WW as the champ and vacates the LW title. IF GSP wins, BJ moves back down to LW and stays there to defend the title, IMO thats what should happen, but wont.
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08-12-2008, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by BigBanda Since he is on such a high horse, I say give him a rematch with Sherk. | Count me in for that one.
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