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[rugoatee]

Originally Posted by MasterShake

Just to school you, have you ever watched a Pride event. They fill entire stadiums everytime. People over there do not care who is fighting as long as there is a fight. Pride did not go under because there events were not bringing in money and people quit wanting to see there shows. Pride went under because of poor managment the people that owned Pride were corrupt and didnt know what they were doing. It had nothin to do with the fan base. As soon as UFC has an event that equals the capacity of the Super Dome over there and can sell out that event I will agree with you.

Agreed they WERE able to fill big arenas in their hey day. We are far from those days. If they are doing so well, why is Dream in such trouble and why can't they draw on tv? You are talking Pride of years ago. This is today. PPV media is not as big over there and that is what drives revenue here. They used to sell lots of tickets over there but not any more. These numbers look a little more like the US. I don't see any 70k or 80k attendence numbers in there. Nice try though.

DREAM.1 2008-03-15 Saitama, Japan Saitama Super Arena - 19,120
DREAM.2 2008-04-29 Saitama, Japan Saitama Super Arena - 21,397
DREAM.3 2008-05-11 Saitama, Japan Saitama Super Arena - 21,789
DREAM.4 2008-06-15 Yokohama, Japan Yokohama Arena - 14,037
DREAM.5 2008-07-21 Osaka, Japan Osaka-jo Hall - 11,986

[MasterShake]

Originally Posted by rugoatee

Agreed they WERE able to fill big arenas in their hey day. We are far from those days. If they are doing so well, why is Dream in such trouble and why can't they draw on tv? You are talking Pride of years ago. This is today. PPV media is not as big over there and that is what drives revenue here. They used to sell lots of tickets over there but not any more. These numbers look a little more like the US. I don't see any 70k or 80k attendence numbers in there. Nice try though.

DREAM.1 2008-03-15 Saitama, Japan Saitama Super Arena - 19,120
DREAM.2 2008-04-29 Saitama, Japan Saitama Super Arena - 21,397
DREAM.3 2008-05-11 Saitama, Japan Saitama Super Arena - 21,789
DREAM.4 2008-06-15 Yokohama, Japan Yokohama Arena - 14,037
DREAM.5 2008-07-21 Osaka, Japan Osaka-jo Hall - 11,986

Yeah, but I am not talking about Dream I am talking about Fedor and the Japanese fans. They go ape shit for him over there like he is there crack. Look up the event where he fought HOng Man Choi that event sold out. The only draw on that card really was Fedor, thats all the Japanese need to hear is Fedor. Good debate though I gotta take off for awhile so this may be to be continued, but for now you are REP'd, for a non pissy debate thank you.

[kc56]

This article is funny to me.

He states that the UFC is still very unlikely to co-promote, then claims to have the answer, and lays out co-promoting a show.

I will not pay one cent of my money to see Randy fight Fedor. He is far too full of himself, thinks he is a better fighter and draw than he is. I will not re-enforce that notion.

[ninjastix]

Originally Posted by kc56

I will not pay one cent of my money to see Randy fight Fedor. He is far too full of himself, thinks he is a better fighter and draw than he is. I will not re-enforce that notion.

I won't either, I won't pay for a last Horrah for Randy...

To me, he's a great fighter, a great tactician, and a very good coach and cultivator of talent...

I would have liked to see him stay in the UFC, he choose otherwise, and I honestly don't care what his reasons were or are... I have no interest in seeing him fight... well... anyone...

[Clint]

Originally Posted by MasterShake

Just to school you, have you ever watched a Pride event. They fill entire stadiums everytime. People over there do not care who is fighting as long as there is a fight. Pride did not go under because there events were not bringing in money and people quit wanting to see there shows. Pride went under because of poor managment the people that owned Pride were corrupt and didnt know what they were doing. It had nothin to do with the fan base. As soon as UFC has an event that equals the capacity of the Super Dome over there and can sell out that event I will agree with you.

While you are right that they draw huge crowds in Japan, they do pretty much no PPV at all. As a culture, the Japanese just don't buy PPVs. Pride survuved because it was on cable over there. When they got cut from cable and went to ppv is when they started to collapse.

Also the Fedor-HMC card had a ton of Japanese draws on it.

[ILJO]

The UFC will not co promote. This article should have been named, another wishful idea that will never happen

I dont see Couture beating the UFC in their legal battle so I really think that the only way this fight will happen is in the UFC

[Splandman]

Originally Posted by rugoatee

in there. Nice try though.

DREAM.1 2008-03-15 Saitama, Japan Saitama Super Arena - 19,120
DREAM.2 2008-04-29 Saitama, Japan Saitama Super Arena - 21,397
DREAM.3 2008-05-11 Saitama, Japan Saitama Super Arena - 21,789
DREAM.4 2008-06-15 Yokohama, Japan Yokohama Arena - 14,037
DREAM.5 2008-07-21 Osaka, Japan Osaka-jo Hall - 11,986

Why did the numbers for Dream 4 and 5 fall so far?

[ninjastix]

Originally Posted by ILJO

I dont see Couture beating the UFC in their legal battle so I really think that the only way this fight will happen is in the UFC

Once again I agree, Couture could return to the UFC in good standing but not to the tune of 6 million... 350 thousand I could see...

If that's not enough then tough shit, if that's what it comes to then he blew his negotiating power and Dana is certainly in no position to bend...

Getting Fedor is still an issue, but even a one or two fight contract would do the trick... so long as they make it a superfight it's win/win...

Randy planned to retired after Fedor "it's the only fight left that makes sense"... so if he wins you still lose Randy... Fedor has stated that he has not desire to fight Nog again, and I can't blame him... So if Fedor wins you have a guy who's going to do what?

House the superfight, release Randy with 1 fight left, let him dick around with Barnett in a ring and see how well that goes...

I'm sorry I find way too many fighters more exciting, dynamic, and talented than Randy... taking nothing away from the guy either... but how is this money deserved?

He beat Slyvia and Gonzaga... Does that mean that if Werdum beat big Tim when he was in the UFC he deserves a 4 million payout for a fight with Fedor?

Randy vs Fedor isn't worth 12 million dollars,

it's not worth 2, it's a superfight and an interesting match up in a cage... it's not the two best fighters in the world fighting...

[GL Jeff]

Ill bet everyone of you that say, " Im not buying that PPV." end up buying it, because it would be history, and you know every fight on that card is going to be great, because as a fighter, I would kill to be on their, even the under-card should rock. Can some rich SOB just shell out a few mil to help this along. I know if I was a billionair, id get in on this, if my money came back so be t, if not,I know I got mad Rep'd for making it happen.

[Problematique]

Originally Posted by MasterShake

I know I for one would buy that PPV no matter what time of the day it is I really wouldnt care if it was at 4am or 10pm I would get it..

I also think it wouldnt be that bad of a idea for UFC it is really a win win for them to. They would be able to quit spending the money on lawyers in the courtroom. They would get there belt back regardless and not have a interm champ. It would also help the UFC and the MMA world with a bout this big. I feel it is a great idea.

I agree.