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[Squeako]

Originally Posted by Big John McCarthy

They are already "The Brand" when it comes to mixed martial arts. The UFC has done a fantastic job of getting its brand out there the same as Xerox did with copiers or Kleenex did with tissues.

Like Xerox and Kleenex, they'll eventually get tired of the competition being referred to as Xerox and Kleenex, and pulling sales off their name, which is exactly what Affliction did with all the big former UFC names. That's also partly why they didn't mind paying the fighters so much; they were buying UFC reputation/credibility for pennies on the dollar. (Whether they'll have enough pennies in the long term is another question all together.)

The casual fan will ask, "Hey, is UFC back on yet?" His friend will respond, "Dude, it's Affliction." The first guy will say, "Whatever, just pause it 'cause I gotta drop a deuce."

[diction10]

Its sad but true. I like the idea of WAMMA, but like communism it only works on paper.

I don't have a problem with Big John at all and I think he's absolutely right and makes some good points. As fans we can dream about the best fighters fighting eachother irregardless of organization, but its just not going to happen.

[mauladala]

Doesn't the fact their is only one WAMMA title in each weight class force the mma orgs. to cross promote? Does that mean Affliction's HW champ does NOT have an Affliction belt, but a belt called WAMMA HW Championship Belt that all HW's regardless of promotion should strive for? Ocourse Dana wouldn't want that. He's trying to create a UFC=NFL/MLB/NBA type scenario it would seem to me, and this whole WAMMA thing has the faint whiff of how boxing works, imo.


Edit: maybe I'm misunderstanding...?

[bigsmooth696969]

Every time I hear the word WAMMA I think of the music group WHAM!

Every WAMMA champion should be forced to come out to Wake me up before you go go..

WAR George Michael!

[thumper]

The idea for WAMMA is needed. In a sport that other orgs are popping up all over, there's going to be one that sticks around sooner or later, then another. Your'e crazy if you think the UFC will always be the only one. So when it starts to happen they will NEED a body like WAMMA. the only problems here are as follows:

1. Goldberg.. involved? Fail!
2. The name.. The name guys the name, the acronym is as bad as it gets. Please think of the name

Anyway, if it's not done, there will be no real title holder, just org titles which don't mean shit because everyone knows there are equals in other orgs.

It's just like the boxing deal. the ufc uses this bullshit 'undisputed champion' garbage. Well that means something in boxing because an undisputed champ holds ALL different boxing org's belts. Not just one. I honestly laugh when I hear 'Undisputed UFC world champion'. could we mentally masturbate that title any more?

[Clint]

Originally Posted by mauladala

Doesn't the fact their is only one WAMMA title in each weight class force the mma orgs. to cross promote? Does that mean Affliction's HW champ does NOT have an Affliction belt, but a belt called WAMMA HW Championship Belt that all HW's regardless of promotion should strive for? Ocourse Dana wouldn't want that. He's trying to create a UFC=NFL/MLB/NBA type scenario it would seem to me, and this whole WAMMA thing has the faint whiff of how boxing works, imo.


Edit: maybe I'm misunderstanding...?

No you've pretty much got it

[thumper]

Originally Posted by mauladala

Doesn't the fact their is only one WAMMA title in each weight class force the mma orgs. to cross promote? Does that mean Affliction's HW champ does NOT have an Affliction belt, but a belt called WAMMA HW Championship Belt that all HW's regardless of promotion should strive for? Ocourse Dana wouldn't want that. He's trying to create a UFC=NFL/MLB/NBA type scenario it would seem to me, and this whole WAMMA thing has the faint whiff of how boxing works, imo.


Edit: maybe I'm misunderstanding...?

Close but not entirely. it depends on how it's managed.

each org can have it's own belt. Think about boxing, you'll see a guy with 3 belts. That means he's the undisputed champ. he owns the belt in every org. So it could be the same with WAMMA, and each org will obviously have their own belt. the difference is if you have the wamma belt you're undisputed. which is a HUGE difference.

Example. You could have fought and won the IBF and WBF belts ine the same weight class in boxing. But you are still not the undisputed champ. You are the IBF and the WBF champ. but since there is another champ in the WBO it's still disputed.

make sense?

It's similar to something like what Rogan did in kickboxing. He won his division right? so he is the champ of the weight class. BUT, he went on to beat (in the same tournament) ALL the winners of ALL the other weight classes. So he became the grand champion. It's a little different because those are different weight classes, but it kind of explains it a little

[Legend]

A little off topic but I would like to point out that McCarthy's analyst of the the WAMMA/UFC situation and just MMA in general is fantastic. The thing I like most about him is he does a good job at staying unbiased. In an article like this most "analysts" of the sport would have been leaning one way or the other. They would be either being bashing the UFC or bashing WAMMA while only pointing out the positives of one and negatives of the other. Big John stays true to his new role in the sport and is legitimizing himself greatly in it.

Now as far as WAMMA is concerned I agree with McCarthy in the fact that they do not bennifit the UFC at all. Most casual fans have no idea WAMMA even exists. They would add no legitimacy to the UFC even if every WAMMA championship was held by a UFC fighter. In fact WAMMA will never be taken seriously by most people unless they somehow got the UFC to jump on board with this but I seriously doubt that will ever happen.

[Masscore]

Hmmmm like many other people have said it does no good for the UFC or Zuffa in general to join WAMMA, they already have almost all the top fighters already so their champions are the most legit as far as I am concerned.

HW - ranked number 2 in the world.
LHW - Number 1
MW - Number 1
WW - Number 1
LW - Number 1
FW - Number 1
BW - Number 1

So outside of one wieght class Zuffa already has all the number 1 fighters in each wieght class. Sounds legit enough to me.

[chungt79]

Why would UFC wanna be associated in any way with WAMMA?

WAMMA!?

I just wanna know who came up with that name. I will hate it as long as its called WAMMA and who designed the damn belt? This aint no boxing. It feels like anyone associated with this organization is a retard. One thing this organization needs in order to work is respectability and they name themselves Wamma......