Japanese MMA vs American MMA

Beatts35 · 10-24-2006, 11:39 AM

I've been reading alot of people knocking Pride lately. I think most of you are fools who can only think of the UFC when MMA comes up. But is American MMA better than Japanese..

I think that the Japanese are far ahead of us when it comes to their orginazations, ticket sales, and variety.

and this is not just a Pride vs UFC thing, (although most US promoters with the exception of the IFL are mini UFC clones)

Deep, GCM, K1, Pancrase, Shooto and ZST offer alot of variety within the sport. First Shooto is truley the only association with a real ranking system and it isn't a promoter but a sactioning body. Gcm and Zst are very interesting they have rules about the types of stikes you can do, one has friggen tag team matches and they have some interesting grappling and takedowns you won't see anywhere else. And Prides Bushido and Grand Prix Tourney's offer variety from 1 promoter. Japanese have taken alot of smart lessons from Pro Wrestling and made them work for MMA.

In the US we have alot of the same carbon copy ideas about MMA. Now there is something to be said for having a standard, but i think most promoters just conform to be like the next guy and don't think about how they can enhance the sport.

Now although I don't love athletic commissions they are very good about 1 thing, and thats the safety of the fighter. The rules about how and when you can fight after a lose or an injury are important. Japan is 40 years behind us when it comes to their medical treatment and care of fighters. That is something i've been told first hand by Derek Panza who has cornered for Guy Mezger in Pride more than once, and is a 3 time ISKA Heavyweight Champ. Just look at Sakuraba and you can see how they can grind their talent down. and Wandi Mirko fight in the owgp would have been stopped in Vegas no American Doctor would have sent him back out there. (it was great seeing him get ko'd)

gotblood? · 10-24-2006, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Beatts35

I've been reading alot of people knocking Pride lately. I think most of you are fools who can only think of the UFC when MMA comes up. But is American MMA better than Japanese..

I think that the Japanese are far ahead of us when it comes to their orginazations, ticket sales, and variety.

and this is not just a Pride vs UFC thing, (although most US promoters with the exception of the IFL are mini UFC clones)

Deep, GCM, K1, Pancrase, Shooto and ZST offer alot of variety within the sport. First Shooto is truley the only association with a real ranking system and it isn't a promoter but a sactioning body. Gcm and Zst are very interesting they have rules about the types of stikes you can do, one has friggen tag team matches and they have some interesting grappling and takedowns you won't see anywhere else. And Prides Bushido and Grand Prix Tourney's offer variety from 1 promoter. Japanese have taken alot of smart lessons from Pro Wrestling and made them work for MMA.

In the US we have alot of the same carbon copy ideas about MMA. Now there is something to be said for having a standard, but i think most promoters just conform to be like the next guy and don't think about how they can enhance the sport.

Now although I don't love athletic commissions they are very good about 1 thing, and thats the safety of the fighter. The rules about how and when you can fight after a lose or an injury are important. Japan is 40 years behind us when it comes to their medical treatment and care of fighters. That is something i've been told first hand by Derek Panza who has cornered for Guy Mezger in Pride more than once, and is a 3 time ISKA Heavyweight Champ. Just look at Sakuraba and you can see how they can grind their talent down. and Wandi Mirko fight in the owgp would have been stopped in Vegas no American Doctor would have sent him back out there. (it was great seeing him get ko'd)

I learned "fact and opinion" in second grade. It seems like a lot of fans of MMA either skipped class that day or are just ignorant. I tend to believe it's the latter.

Be a fan of the sport, of the fighters...not of the organizations.

J zingher · 10-24-2006, 11:52 AM

One issue that I feel is holding back American MMA is an overly restrictive sanction body. Tokyo is much more flexible about what they will allow their orginizations to get away with compared to Vegas. The Open Weight GP is a great idea but i am not sure if it would fly in any U.S. venue.

I also think that the tournament is a great format in general

Beatts35 · 10-24-2006, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by gotblood?

I learned "fact and opinion" in second grade. It seems like a lot of fans of MMA either skipped class that day or are just ignorant. I tend to believe it's the latter.

Be a fan of the sport, of the fighters...not of the organizations.

I know the difference, between fact and opinion, thanks guy... I am just trying to ask which people think is better, and I believe I stated that i thought the japanese run things better. i am a fan of the sport and the fighters, and right now the differences in the japanese orginazations makes them worth talking about. and ingnorants is not seeing the differences in things in life and taking note. schmuck

Donny77 · 10-24-2006, 11:57 AM

WHy didnt u just name ur title Pride vs UFC?

Vigilo · 10-24-2006, 11:59 AM

I'm just happy MMA is finally taking off i may live to see the day when WWE TNA and all the wrestling soap operas are gone forever.

Beatts35 · 10-24-2006, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Donny77

WHy didnt u just name ur title Pride vs UFC?

Because it is there is more in japan than just pride, and i just touched on them but if you are a real fan of the sport you should know something about them.

AJL416AZ · 10-24-2006, 12:25 PM

of course you're right on the safety thing. no sanctioned American MMA ref would let Saku get beat on like that, and rightfully so. that was an unfair advantage to him, as well as an unnecessary risk

but there are some things that Japan gets to do that i would love to see in the UFC, fighter safety or no.
get rid of the diving turtle slide done by every wrestler ever, by adding knees on the ground.
get rid of elbows and subsequently, take away kenny florian's chance at winning any fight against someone good.

YukonJordan · 10-24-2006, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Vigilo

I'm just happy MMA is finally taking off i may live to see the day when WWE TNA and all the wrestling soap operas are gone forever.

I'm pretty sure there's always going to be a market for professional wrestling until Liddell decides to start doing flips off the cage and hitting Dana White with a chair....